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Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Your F Score?
« on: April 02, 2011, 07:45:39 PM »
You're the one making the assertion, so the onus of proof is on you. "I'm right because you can't prove I'm wrong" is incredibly fallacious. And, very common in religious debates.

Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Your F Score?
« on: April 02, 2011, 07:36:15 PM »
When did I ever say that I'm picking and choosing which laws I want to follow?  The New Testament makes clear that ceremonial law is no longer necessary, since the need for sacrifice was fulfilled by Christ for good.  Moral laws, regarding sin, are still very relevant, and still condemned in the New Testament just as much as in the Old.

So my interpretation of the Bible is not the same as yours, then. Fair enough.

But that's not like 99.9% of abortion cases.  It's not a matter of taking a life, it's a matter of saving a life.  Life of the mother cases are the only ones in which there's ever even a tiny shadow of a doubt.  But again, they're the exception, not the rule.

That was the point -- I was going for the logical extreme case here. That said, shouldn't these cases be handled separately, instead of just being all "Oops, too bad, see you in Hell because other people have non-procreational sex"?

If you want a system of law, then you're going to control elements of peoples' lives, no matter what.  Do you think that, say, theft (because murder has been used as an example a lot lately) should be permissible as long as it's done in private?

There is a VERY critical difference between regulating what people do to other people non-consensually, what other people do with each other consensually, and what one does with themselves, in private. Murder, by definition, is an act where one party is non-consenting. In my mind, laws should only exist to protect against those.  "Victimless crime" really should be an oxymoron, and not something people actually go to jail for. Of course where abortion gets weird. I see is as a breach against what one does with themself, because I don't think the fetus is alive until and unless it is viable. You think life starts at conception, so it's in the first case.

That said, if life begins at conception, shouldn't a woman who has a miscarriage be charged with manslaughter?

Also, no one has explained to me yet why being a sociopath is bad.

See, here's where I should describe what I mean by a sociopath. A sociopath only cares about themselves -- the thoughts and ideas of others bear no role in their decision. In some cases this is not bad, but if you take this to the logical extreme (e.g., killing people because you don't believe in God), it's very bad, indeed. By itself it's not bad, but it can lead to Very Bad Things in many situations.

Of course, my girlfriend argues that a formally defined sociopath also feels no emotion and can't be religious, but I'm not sure of either of those.

That was just a joke.  I just think reality TV is pox on the entertainment industry because it's a quick and lazy substitute for actual creativity, and because there are only so many time-slots, the genuinely good shows are the ones that get canceled because they don't make money as quickly.  But there's nothing morally wrong with it, per se, and to discuss it in-depth is probably for a different thread (but who am I kidding, all NatDT discussions end up debating the morality of homosexuality eventually).

Yea, figured. And threads only delve into homosexuality if people bring them up, though it appears I'm the one guilty of that in this thread.

EDIT: About a God who kills not being a real god, didn't God murder a bunch of people in the Bible? Some, for no real reason at all (e.g., Lot's wife)?

Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Your F Score?
« on: April 02, 2011, 01:20:16 PM »
Ok, so you're one of those types who cherry-picks from the Bible to justify your bigotry. Got it. If the word of God is infallible, as you think it is, you don't get to pick and choose what words you follow. Again, this means you think you're better than God is.

Abortion in literally all cases? Ok, hypothetical scenario here:

A woman, roughly 4 months pregnant, gets some tests done and discovers the unborn child has a rare condition called sirenomelia, otherwise known as Mermaid Syndrome. Further tests show that the child's kidneys/bladder will never function correctly, and as such the child has a zero percent chance of survival. (There are very very rare cases of children with this surviving, but if the kidney issues occur the child won't live a day.) During the extremely short time the child is alive, it will be in severe pain (don't GIS it, the images are pretty hideous). Now, fast forward a bit. The mother develops a fairly serious infection, and having to give birth, even via C-section, suddenly has a much higher chance of being fatal.

Now, given that there's zero chance of this fetus being viable, and there's a fairly high chance of the mother dying if the fetus isn't aborted, do you honestly think abortion, in this case, should be illegal?

If so, you are no longer able to call yourself "pro-life".

Reality TV ... heh, not sure what to say about that. I personally think lying to people on "news" programs should be illegal (if you want to lie, they have to be called "entertainment", NOT news). I'm looking at you, Rupert Murdoch.

Also I think the fact that you think that you "aren't sure" if my sex life should be the government's business is a sign of sociopathy -- you're actively trying to control and manipulate other people's lives. That is one of the defining traits of a sociopath.

General Chat / Re: _
« on: April 02, 2011, 01:05:19 AM »
Yea, pretty sure A is an alt of someone.

That said, the posts are relevant for the most part so I'm going to hold off on doing anything too rash.


The label was handed out today
Not fit for human consumption
What a nerve! Who would say that?
About another human being
Who has the right?
Who can sit and judge another

Not fit for human consumption
Hard one to deal with
Angry with others, cross with his brother
Mad at his dad sad at his mother
Missing his son, not even sure why.

Not fit for human consumption
Who dares to point and label?
You tell me which one of us is able
Could you, you over in the corner
You on the stair, don’t you point and say
Not fit for human consumption

Its me who’s put the tag on that person
It’s me who knows the truth.
Its me this is about, yes I point at me
The one who knows best has tagged me
Not fit for human consumption

R 2.30 PM May 6th 2003

Found this on a hotel computer, just out of nowhere. Yea.

General Chat / Re: The QUOTE Thread!
« on: April 02, 2011, 12:15:10 AM »

General Chat / Re: Ignorance and Apathy
« on: April 01, 2011, 11:46:43 PM »
Ignorance isn't that hard to cure.
Apathy is a bit harder.
Bias is nigh impossible to cure.

Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Your F Score?
« on: April 01, 2011, 11:22:32 PM »
Says the guy who just sucked John Stuart Mill's dick.

Whoa, don't tell Turtlekid this. Our prisons are crowded enough.

Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Your F Score?
« on: April 01, 2011, 11:20:25 PM »
By regulating and criminalizing an act that is an affront to God, we're doing what he told us to do.  I'm pretty sure he didn't tell us to do nothing about it.  And have you considered that our penalizing their actions is his method of "sorting them out"?  Just because he's not smiting them with a lightning bolt where they stand doesn't mean he's not passing judgment.

No, you're considering yourself better than God -- that is, more equipped to handle a subset of humanity. He didn't say anything about it -- so He's essentially "neutral" on how we should approach this, which in my interpretation means He'll sort them out. And before you pull out Leviticus 18:22 -- Read a bit further and see what other "crimes" are equally sinful. Go on , if you're not naked you're probably committing a sin on the order of sodomy right now.

Also I stopped believing in God before I first joined TMK, and I've never had the urge to murder someone. I live by the One Commandment, and I'm pretty sure all of the Ten Commandments can be reduced to this: The One Commandment is:

"Don't be an *******."

That would, believe it or not, include not killing people.

Also, just curious, what other things that are legal right now would be illegal in Turtlekid world?

Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Your F Score?
« on: April 01, 2011, 10:55:32 PM »
Oh, so you DO think what goes on in people's bedrooms is your, and the government's business.

In that case, we will NEVER see eye to eye on this, and I'll refrain from saying what I really think. Carry on.

EDIT: Ok, I have one comment, and I'm trying to post this from a point of view you are used to: By actually regulating and criminalising an act you see as an affront to God, you are saying that you know better than God what should be allowed in society. It's not your job to sort people out -- it's His.

Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Your F Score?
« on: April 01, 2011, 10:33:16 PM »
There's a HUGE difference between not liking homosexuality and actually wanting to criminalise it.

Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Your F Score?
« on: April 01, 2011, 10:28:33 PM »
So you'd rather have that guy in the empty suit make decisions for you? ... I don't see what's bad about wanting to make your own decisions without government intrusion.

to each his own, I guess. I do hope you, at the very least, didn't put anything above a 3 for question 16. Most of these questions I can see the other side, but disagree with it... but that one...

Also for some reason there's no option to move this to Not at the Dinner Table, even though I'm trying to do it. I think it thinks the child board is the same thing as the main board.

EDIT: never mind, found it.

Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Your F Score?
« on: April 01, 2011, 10:04:09 PM »
Scoring higher is a bad thing in my mind :(

General Chat / Re: The ANGST thread: Complain here!
« on: April 01, 2011, 09:23:57 PM »
I'm not going to lie -- I would not be able to work a week at a fast food place. I see what goes on there, and the shift managers are usually (not always, but usually) power-tripping. And I have a very short fuse. All it takes is one unjustified insult and I'd get fired.

Fortunately I have other ways to make ~minimum wage even if I don't have a job, but still...

Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Your F Score?
« on: April 01, 2011, 09:16:56 PM »
Also, question 18 is terribly written -- I answered 6 because I read it as "personal issues" -- like, what I do in my own home/bedroom, what I do with my body, conversations I have with others on sensitive issues, etc. Considering 6 is "very fascist" it probably meant to mean "governmental doings". If you interpret it like I did, a 1 is most fascist and a 6 is least.

I'm changing my score to 1.93333...

Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Your F Score?
« on: April 01, 2011, 09:02:56 PM »

I don't see how anyone who gets a score like 4.4 can be revered like this to be honest, to score that high you have to be either very religious (and not in the good, self-improving way, but in the "I'm going to use religion to judge everyone different from me" way), a bigot, or a sociopath who thinks it should be illegal to disagree with him on social issues.

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