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« on: January 25, 2015, 12:59:12 AM »
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Forum Games / Re: The Add-One-Word Story Returns
« on: January 24, 2015, 02:50:30 PM »
Precisely
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Video Game Chat / Re: Super Smash Bros. 4 Wii U and 3DS
« on: January 18, 2015, 07:49:52 PM »
I've been trying to figure out that out myself, and it can't be because of space. There are several other tracks that run longer than those tracks did before they were cut down.
The two most infuriating things about the DK Rap being cut down are a) They cut out Lanky and Chunky's verses, even though they're unarguably the heart and soul of DK64, and b) The verses they did leave in, Tiny and Diddy's, are nigh-incomprehensible. Nice job, music department. -__-
The two most infuriating things about the DK Rap being cut down are a) They cut out Lanky and Chunky's verses, even though they're unarguably the heart and soul of DK64, and b) The verses they did leave in, Tiny and Diddy's, are nigh-incomprehensible. Nice job, music department. -__-
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Video Game Chat / Re: Super Smash Bros. 4 Wii U and 3DS
« on: January 18, 2015, 11:43:21 AM »
A big part of my love for Smash Run has to do with it being heavily based on City Trial from Kirby Air Ride, a game I love to pieces.
Unfortunately, I'm running out of Powers and Custom Parts to unlock. :(
Unfortunately, I'm running out of Powers and Custom Parts to unlock. :(
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Mario Chat / Re: The Silly Mario Fan Theories Thread
« on: January 16, 2015, 01:35:35 AM »
If you're gonna make fun of me, at least go with a smaller image. :P
Sapphira partially did that.
So.... Zelda?
Now someone should take all the Mario games and try to put them into a coherent timeline theory.
Sapphira partially did that.
I actually have a theory that splits depending on if Kamek is successful in taking both Baby Mario and Baby Luigi. I just need a while to organize my thoughts.
So.... Zelda?
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Mario Chat / Re: The Silly Mario Fan Theories Thread
« on: January 15, 2015, 08:07:42 PM »
And then the game is released and people play it and suddenly that theory is down the toilet. :V
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Mario Chat / Re-written story elements
« on: January 12, 2015, 04:48:13 PM »
Mario has been around a while and has developed a bit of a reputation for not having a consistent story. Nintendo just sort of re-writes certain concepts whenever they see it. So I decided to make a list of all the things that were once considered "true" but have been erased or changed in some way.
1. Mario's occupation
- Originally stated to be a carpenter in Donkey Kong.
- Then stated to be a plumber in Mario Bros.
- Not stated to be anything in any of the platformers, starting with Super Mario Bros.
- Taken on various other jobs depending on the nature of the game in question (Mario's Cement Factory, Wrecking Crew, Dr. Mario, Yoshi's Cookie, Mario's Picross, Mario Paint, etc.)
- Clearly depicted as a plumber in the DiC cartoons and movie, but that was likely an attempt by NoA to "Americanize" Mario and make him easier to relate to.
- A scant few recent games and localized material have made occasional plumber jokes, such as Superstar Saga.
- Currently Nintendo officially does not consider Mario to be a plumber and avoids using the term.
2. Mario's place of birth
- Miyamoto stated in an interview that during the development of Mario Bros. he decided to "put him in New York" and "make him a plumber".
- The DiC cartoons and movie show that Mario is specifically from Brooklyn, though once again this is a tertiary product and a likely attempt to "Americanize" Mario during the franchise's infancy.
- The Mario OVA depicts Mario and Luigi as hailing from the real world much like the DiC cartoon, although it is not stated exactly where. The backgrounds in the opening scenes suggest they live somewhere in the American desert.
- This databook states Mario to be from "Italy".
- None of the games or their peripheral materials released during this period ever state where Mario is from.
- Yoshi's Island seems to be based on the prior point, as it states Mario was born in the Mushroom Kingdom. The games have adhered to this idea ever since.
3. The nature of the blocks
- The manual to Super Mario Bros. states that Bowser turned all of the residents of the Mushroom Kingdom into blocks.
- Starting with Super Mario Bros. 3, all of the games released after this appear to have dropped this idea entirely, as it has never been mentioned again.
- Superstar Saga has a segment that greatly suggests the blocks are mysterious naturally-occurring fixtures and there is ongoing research into how they operate.
4. The Koopalings' relationship to Bowser
- In both Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World, the Koopalings are stated to be Bowser's kids. In the Japanese manuals, he even says so himself. (Believe me, I checked and Deezer confirmed it.)
- In their scant few appearances afterward, such as Yoshi's Safari and Superstar Saga, their relationship to Bowser is never stated.
- New Super Mario Bros. Wii established that the Koopalings are not Bowser's kids, but his underlings. Yes, even in Japan.
- Miyamoto shortly confirmed thereafter that "the current story" is that they are not his kids.
5. Mario and Donkey Kong's rivalry + DK's place of birth
- It's often assumed that Donkey Kong was Mario's pet and that he kidnapped Pauline out of revenge, although I've yet to see a game-related source that states this.
- The Saturday Supercade cartoon decided Donkey Kong was an escaped circus animal and Mario and Pauline were trying to get him back.
- This databook once again, states DK's place of origin to be "Circus".
- In Donkey Kong for Game Boy, DK is shown to rule over his own homeland, complete with a giant stone tower.
- In Donkey Kong Country, DK is established to now be a crotchety old ape named Cranky Kong who lives on DK Isle with the rest of his family.
- In Donkey Kong Land, it's stated that Mario and DK battled each other at Big Ape City, rather than New York.
- Each game after this seems to assume the prior two points have always been true. Nothing about DK being from the circus, nor the exact reason for his and Mario's rivalry has been stated since. This goes hand-in-hand with item no. 2 on this list, which discusses Mario's place of birth.
6. (The current) Donkey Kong's relationship to Cranky Kong
- Donkey Kong Country refers to Cranky as DK's "grandpappy".
- Each DKC game after this repeats this, but in Donkey Kong 64, Cranky refers to DK as his "son".
- Nintendo Co. Ltd.'s official DK portal from 1999 has a page that states Cranky is the original DK, DK Jr. is the second generation and the current DK is the third generation.
- Leigh Loveday confirmed on Rare's Scribes section of their official site that their intention from the beginning was to have Cranky and DK be father and son, and to have DK be a grown-up DK Jr. However, this did not come through in the final product, presumably because Dan Owsen wrote the instruction manual rather than Loveday himself.
- DK's trophy in Super Smash Bros. Melee suggests the original DK and the current DK are the same character.
- In Mario vs. Donkey Kong on GBA, DK behaves in a manner much more reminiscent of the original DK, which would suggest the same idea is in place here.
- DK's bio in Mario Superstar Baseball states that "his ancestor, the original Donkey Kong, wore no tie". Although the original DK does wear a tie in the Game Boy game, this still states that there in fact two generations of DK.
- Both Snake's codec conversation as well as DK's trophy in Super Smash Bros. Brawl state once again that the current DK the grandson of the original.
- Donkey Kong Country Returns and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze continue with this idea, but Super Smash Bros. for Wii U/3DS suspiciously puts DK under 1981 in All-Star mode. Nothing else is stated on the matter, though.
7. Mario Land
- Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins states that Mario has his own kingdom called Mario Land, complete with a castle called Mario Castle. It is also stated that Wario has tried to take over this castle "many times", suggesting Mario has been in possession of this kingdom for a good while.
- In Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land, Wario goes on an adventure to find enough gold to buy a castle of his own.
- Wario Land 2 establishes that Wario succeeded in the previous game, as the game opens with the Black Sugar gang breaking into his castle.
- Despite the previous two games continuing with Wario's end of the story, no other game since SML2 has ever referred to Mario Land or Mario Castle ever again.
- Starting with Super Mario RPG, Mario is depicted in living in a normal house in a clearing somewhere near Peach's Castle and its surrounding town. Each RPG after this continues with this idea.
8. Bowser's affinity for magic
- In Super Mario Bros., Bowser is stated to be a "sorcerer king" who cast a spell on the entire Mushroom Kingdom.
- In Super Mario RPG, Bowser is able to summon Big Boo, a cloud of noxious gas, a giant stalactite, and a giant Mechakoopa, using what is supposedly "magic", based on the status screen (Mg. Attack and Mg. Defense, remember?). On the other hand, all five of the party members have access to a similar pool of "magic", including Mario.
- Super Mario Galaxy does show Bowser summoning a UFO, though it's not really clear if this was through sorcery or some other unknown method.
- Aside from the above three examples, no other game has ever shown Bowser to have any sort of inherent magical ability. He's usually seen relying on some sort of artifact or device, if not one of his Magikoopas, for magical aid.
I'll post more when I think of more. Feel free to discuss or debate these, or post some of your own.
1. Mario's occupation
- Originally stated to be a carpenter in Donkey Kong.
- Then stated to be a plumber in Mario Bros.
- Not stated to be anything in any of the platformers, starting with Super Mario Bros.
- Taken on various other jobs depending on the nature of the game in question (Mario's Cement Factory, Wrecking Crew, Dr. Mario, Yoshi's Cookie, Mario's Picross, Mario Paint, etc.)
- Clearly depicted as a plumber in the DiC cartoons and movie, but that was likely an attempt by NoA to "Americanize" Mario and make him easier to relate to.
- A scant few recent games and localized material have made occasional plumber jokes, such as Superstar Saga.
- Currently Nintendo officially does not consider Mario to be a plumber and avoids using the term.
2. Mario's place of birth
- Miyamoto stated in an interview that during the development of Mario Bros. he decided to "put him in New York" and "make him a plumber".
- The DiC cartoons and movie show that Mario is specifically from Brooklyn, though once again this is a tertiary product and a likely attempt to "Americanize" Mario during the franchise's infancy.
- The Mario OVA depicts Mario and Luigi as hailing from the real world much like the DiC cartoon, although it is not stated exactly where. The backgrounds in the opening scenes suggest they live somewhere in the American desert.
- This databook states Mario to be from "Italy".
- None of the games or their peripheral materials released during this period ever state where Mario is from.
- Yoshi's Island seems to be based on the prior point, as it states Mario was born in the Mushroom Kingdom. The games have adhered to this idea ever since.
3. The nature of the blocks
- The manual to Super Mario Bros. states that Bowser turned all of the residents of the Mushroom Kingdom into blocks.
- Starting with Super Mario Bros. 3, all of the games released after this appear to have dropped this idea entirely, as it has never been mentioned again.
- Superstar Saga has a segment that greatly suggests the blocks are mysterious naturally-occurring fixtures and there is ongoing research into how they operate.
4. The Koopalings' relationship to Bowser
- In both Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World, the Koopalings are stated to be Bowser's kids. In the Japanese manuals, he even says so himself. (Believe me, I checked and Deezer confirmed it.)
- In their scant few appearances afterward, such as Yoshi's Safari and Superstar Saga, their relationship to Bowser is never stated.
- New Super Mario Bros. Wii established that the Koopalings are not Bowser's kids, but his underlings. Yes, even in Japan.
- Miyamoto shortly confirmed thereafter that "the current story" is that they are not his kids.
5. Mario and Donkey Kong's rivalry + DK's place of birth
- It's often assumed that Donkey Kong was Mario's pet and that he kidnapped Pauline out of revenge, although I've yet to see a game-related source that states this.
- The Saturday Supercade cartoon decided Donkey Kong was an escaped circus animal and Mario and Pauline were trying to get him back.
- This databook once again, states DK's place of origin to be "Circus".
- In Donkey Kong for Game Boy, DK is shown to rule over his own homeland, complete with a giant stone tower.
- In Donkey Kong Country, DK is established to now be a crotchety old ape named Cranky Kong who lives on DK Isle with the rest of his family.
- In Donkey Kong Land, it's stated that Mario and DK battled each other at Big Ape City, rather than New York.
- Each game after this seems to assume the prior two points have always been true. Nothing about DK being from the circus, nor the exact reason for his and Mario's rivalry has been stated since. This goes hand-in-hand with item no. 2 on this list, which discusses Mario's place of birth.
6. (The current) Donkey Kong's relationship to Cranky Kong
- Donkey Kong Country refers to Cranky as DK's "grandpappy".
- Each DKC game after this repeats this, but in Donkey Kong 64, Cranky refers to DK as his "son".
- Nintendo Co. Ltd.'s official DK portal from 1999 has a page that states Cranky is the original DK, DK Jr. is the second generation and the current DK is the third generation.
- Leigh Loveday confirmed on Rare's Scribes section of their official site that their intention from the beginning was to have Cranky and DK be father and son, and to have DK be a grown-up DK Jr. However, this did not come through in the final product, presumably because Dan Owsen wrote the instruction manual rather than Loveday himself.
- DK's trophy in Super Smash Bros. Melee suggests the original DK and the current DK are the same character.
- In Mario vs. Donkey Kong on GBA, DK behaves in a manner much more reminiscent of the original DK, which would suggest the same idea is in place here.
- DK's bio in Mario Superstar Baseball states that "his ancestor, the original Donkey Kong, wore no tie". Although the original DK does wear a tie in the Game Boy game, this still states that there in fact two generations of DK.
- Both Snake's codec conversation as well as DK's trophy in Super Smash Bros. Brawl state once again that the current DK the grandson of the original.
- Donkey Kong Country Returns and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze continue with this idea, but Super Smash Bros. for Wii U/3DS suspiciously puts DK under 1981 in All-Star mode. Nothing else is stated on the matter, though.
7. Mario Land
- Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins states that Mario has his own kingdom called Mario Land, complete with a castle called Mario Castle. It is also stated that Wario has tried to take over this castle "many times", suggesting Mario has been in possession of this kingdom for a good while.
- In Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land, Wario goes on an adventure to find enough gold to buy a castle of his own.
- Wario Land 2 establishes that Wario succeeded in the previous game, as the game opens with the Black Sugar gang breaking into his castle.
- Despite the previous two games continuing with Wario's end of the story, no other game since SML2 has ever referred to Mario Land or Mario Castle ever again.
- Starting with Super Mario RPG, Mario is depicted in living in a normal house in a clearing somewhere near Peach's Castle and its surrounding town. Each RPG after this continues with this idea.
8. Bowser's affinity for magic
- In Super Mario Bros., Bowser is stated to be a "sorcerer king" who cast a spell on the entire Mushroom Kingdom.
- In Super Mario RPG, Bowser is able to summon Big Boo, a cloud of noxious gas, a giant stalactite, and a giant Mechakoopa, using what is supposedly "magic", based on the status screen (Mg. Attack and Mg. Defense, remember?). On the other hand, all five of the party members have access to a similar pool of "magic", including Mario.
- Super Mario Galaxy does show Bowser summoning a UFO, though it's not really clear if this was through sorcery or some other unknown method.
- Aside from the above three examples, no other game has ever shown Bowser to have any sort of inherent magical ability. He's usually seen relying on some sort of artifact or device, if not one of his Magikoopas, for magical aid.
I'll post more when I think of more. Feel free to discuss or debate these, or post some of your own.
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Site Discussion / Re: Will there ever be another mailbag?
« on: January 12, 2015, 02:17:58 PM »
Is the Beanstar a deity or just a really powerful artifact? I don't remember it talking...
I'm in no position to claim whether Mario RPG is "canon" (I dunno why people keep using that word when Mario doesn't have an officially-recognized canon, as opposed to Zelda, Metroid, Castlevania or whatever else), but if my hunch about it being written away by Paper Mario is somehow true, then I would also take that to mean all the people and places established in it don't exist either. There is definite counter-evidence to this theory, since Shamans appear all over Paper Mario and a Geno doll appears in Superstar Saga.
Here is a list of powerful star-shaped deities and objects, for comparison's sake:
- Power Stars, which appear in both Mario 64 and Mario Galaxy. Non-sentient. Appear to protect Peach's Castle and power vehicles such as the Comet Observatory and Starship Mario.
- Grand Stars, which are presumably even more powerful versions of Power Stars as they're a necessary component of the Comet Observatory's core. They can apparently make you gigantic if swallowed.
- Shine Sprites, which gather at the Shine Gate and serve to prevent Isle Delfino from plunging into darkness. They apparently don't like pollution.
- Green Stars, which act the same as Power Stars in Mario Galaxy and act the same as Dragon Coins, Ace Coins and Star Coins in Mario 3D World. They don't seem to have any noticeable differences outside of being green.
- Star Pieces, which are the seven components of the shattered Star Road. Geno needs to find them in order to rebuild it, as without it wishes will not come true.
- The Star Rod, which sits in Star Haven and has the power to grant wishes. Bowser somehow stole it and used it to make himself all-powerful.
- Star Spirits, who watch over the Star Rod and have the power to neutralize it if it ever falls into the wrong hands, provided all seven of them gather together.
- Crystal Stars, seven magic rocks that are necessary to open the Thousand-Year Door.
- The Beanstar, which sleeps beneath the Beanbean Kingdom, requires a pure voice to be activated, and will grant any wish to whomever possesses it.
- The Cobalt Star, which is some sort of star-shaped stone that can power machines such as E. Gadd's inventions.
- Star Cures, three special artifacts that are necessary to fight off the evil Dark Star (if I'm remembering the plot of Bowser's Inside Story right).
- The Dark Star, an ancient evil being that Fawful tried to use to conquer the Mushroom Kingdom.
- The Sticker Star, a comet that....brings loads of stickers to the Mushroom Kingdom.
I'm in no position to claim whether Mario RPG is "canon" (I dunno why people keep using that word when Mario doesn't have an officially-recognized canon, as opposed to Zelda, Metroid, Castlevania or whatever else), but if my hunch about it being written away by Paper Mario is somehow true, then I would also take that to mean all the people and places established in it don't exist either. There is definite counter-evidence to this theory, since Shamans appear all over Paper Mario and a Geno doll appears in Superstar Saga.
Here is a list of powerful star-shaped deities and objects, for comparison's sake:
- Power Stars, which appear in both Mario 64 and Mario Galaxy. Non-sentient. Appear to protect Peach's Castle and power vehicles such as the Comet Observatory and Starship Mario.
- Grand Stars, which are presumably even more powerful versions of Power Stars as they're a necessary component of the Comet Observatory's core. They can apparently make you gigantic if swallowed.
- Shine Sprites, which gather at the Shine Gate and serve to prevent Isle Delfino from plunging into darkness. They apparently don't like pollution.
- Green Stars, which act the same as Power Stars in Mario Galaxy and act the same as Dragon Coins, Ace Coins and Star Coins in Mario 3D World. They don't seem to have any noticeable differences outside of being green.
- Star Pieces, which are the seven components of the shattered Star Road. Geno needs to find them in order to rebuild it, as without it wishes will not come true.
- The Star Rod, which sits in Star Haven and has the power to grant wishes. Bowser somehow stole it and used it to make himself all-powerful.
- Star Spirits, who watch over the Star Rod and have the power to neutralize it if it ever falls into the wrong hands, provided all seven of them gather together.
- Crystal Stars, seven magic rocks that are necessary to open the Thousand-Year Door.
- The Beanstar, which sleeps beneath the Beanbean Kingdom, requires a pure voice to be activated, and will grant any wish to whomever possesses it.
- The Cobalt Star, which is some sort of star-shaped stone that can power machines such as E. Gadd's inventions.
- Star Cures, three special artifacts that are necessary to fight off the evil Dark Star (if I'm remembering the plot of Bowser's Inside Story right).
- The Dark Star, an ancient evil being that Fawful tried to use to conquer the Mushroom Kingdom.
- The Sticker Star, a comet that....brings loads of stickers to the Mushroom Kingdom.
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Site Discussion / Re: Will there ever be another mailbag?
« on: January 12, 2015, 11:05:36 AM »
I'll take this moment to point out that both Star Hill and Shooting Star Summit are called Hoshi no Furu Oka (lit. "falling star hill") in Japan, so they're quite literally supposed to be the same place even though the location has been moved.
This is giving me an idea for another thread...
This is giving me an idea for another thread...
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Site Discussion / Re: Will there ever be another mailbag?
« on: January 11, 2015, 10:46:36 PM »
A few responses:
- Your first sentence would explain how Bowser got Bowser Jr. even though he apparently doesn't have a mother.
- Geno has never been confirmed to be a Star Spirit, nor has the 'Star Road' ever been confirmed to be the same place as Star Haven. It feels more like Paper Mario wrote whatever was established in Mario RPG out of existence.
- I think Mario's planet might really be called "Earth". The world of Dragon Ball was called "Earth" and it certainly didn't resemble our Earth (what with having just one big continent, talking animals living alongside humans, intelligent fictional species of dinosaurs roaming around, cars that can fit inside capsules, houses that look like domes, people without noses, the list goes on).
- I don't think the Angry Sun was a deity so much as a sun-shaped monster.
- If the Star Spirits are exclusive to Mario's planet, does that mean other populated planets don't get to have wishes? Or is Mario's planet the only densely populated world in Mario's universe?
- Seeing how both Galaxies strongly imply the rest of Mario's universe operates on the same logic as his planet (there's ? blocks, coins, mushrooms, planetoids shaped like Yoshi Eggs, etc. all over the place), I doubt there are any that follow real-life rules of reproduction.
- Your first sentence would explain how Bowser got Bowser Jr. even though he apparently doesn't have a mother.
- Geno has never been confirmed to be a Star Spirit, nor has the 'Star Road' ever been confirmed to be the same place as Star Haven. It feels more like Paper Mario wrote whatever was established in Mario RPG out of existence.
- I think Mario's planet might really be called "Earth". The world of Dragon Ball was called "Earth" and it certainly didn't resemble our Earth (what with having just one big continent, talking animals living alongside humans, intelligent fictional species of dinosaurs roaming around, cars that can fit inside capsules, houses that look like domes, people without noses, the list goes on).
- I don't think the Angry Sun was a deity so much as a sun-shaped monster.
- If the Star Spirits are exclusive to Mario's planet, does that mean other populated planets don't get to have wishes? Or is Mario's planet the only densely populated world in Mario's universe?
- Seeing how both Galaxies strongly imply the rest of Mario's universe operates on the same logic as his planet (there's ? blocks, coins, mushrooms, planetoids shaped like Yoshi Eggs, etc. all over the place), I doubt there are any that follow real-life rules of reproduction.
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Not at the Dinner Table / Re: You Rage (or Lose Faith in Humanity), You Lose
« on: January 11, 2015, 08:57:10 PM »
I should make Rosalina my main then. :P
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Site Discussion / Re: Will there ever be another mailbag?
« on: January 11, 2015, 08:55:46 PM »
Isn't that more ShadowBrain or Weegee's territory? :P
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Site Discussion / Re: Will there ever be another mailbag?
« on: January 11, 2015, 06:03:05 PM »
I didn't mention the Comet Observatory because that's really the birthplace of celestial bodies, not people. :P
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