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Eclipsed Moon · « **Reply #15 on:** September 21, 2008, 05:53:30 PM »

Such as the 100+ year old cases of Charles Hudspeth and William Jackson Marion. These days, that's a lot less likely to happen, but there have at least been people put on death row in somewhat recent times whose convictions were later overturned, and it is quite likely that innocent people on death row have been executed.

nensondubois · « **Reply #16 on:** September 21, 2008, 06:03:09 PM »

That's yet another reason a federal ban should be put on it. Besides humans are animals just classified differently by ourselves, it just a "social" way to make ourselves seem better. People bull[dukar] themselves so many ways including our age as a faulse sense of security. It's human nature to kill and be violent, accept it. Boy society is so very wroooooong.

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #17 on:** September 21, 2008, 07:10:44 PM »

The death penalty sucks. We should have mercy on other people even if they killed someone. Unless someone requests to be sentenced to death, we should not administer the death penalty to anyone.

Nensondubious, how can you view religion as something bad when it inspired a boy to do this.

Seriously, you are the most paranoid member on this site. You're afraid of the police, you think that the government is always acting under a conspiracy, and now you think religion is the government's "main strong hold." If you haven't noticed, we are free to be atheist in this country. Get a grip. Start worrying about other things like living your own life free of your fear. If you don't like the government, get out of America. Trust me, I was just as paranoid as you were at one time about everything the government was doing until I just stopped worrying and focused on other things.

Chupperson Weird · « **Reply #18 on:** September 21, 2008, 07:18:54 PM »

PaperLuigi, I don't think you're paranoid enough.

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #19 on:** September 21, 2008, 07:23:15 PM »

What's there to worry about? Everyone is paranoid and bitter now because Bush is in office. Once he leaves and everyone likes the new president, the paranoia will stop. I hardly heard anything about government conspiracy (other than his stupid sex scandal) when Clinton was in office. This paranoia only came about because people dislike Bush.

Hell, when people liked Bush, no one was scared of government conspiracy. Everyone loved the fact our president was doing the best he could to insure our own safety. After he screwed us over in Iraq, people freaked out. Paranoia goes away with the times. It won't stick around past our next president. Just because we have one bad president now doesn't mean our whole world is crashing down on us.

Chupperson Weird · « **Reply #20 on:** September 21, 2008, 07:59:56 PM »

You're using terms like "no one" and "everyone" way too freely, at least. There have always been people with conspiracy theories, but beside that, those people are pretty likely correct about some of it.

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #21 on:** September 21, 2008, 09:28:20 PM »

The point is I don't see religion as something that the government "uses" to control me. Nensondubious can't possibly understand religion because he isn't religious. I see it as something that influences me to do good things in this life, and I also see it as something that unites me with other people. Why is that a bad thing? I'm not asking Chupperson, I'm asking nensondubious.

To be perfectly honest, I oppose the death penalty because of my religion. See Matthew 5:38-42. Nensondubious, when you and I agree with banning the death penalty, and I do it because of religious reasons, do you still think it's a form of control? Do you still think the government is using my religion to control me when the two of us both oppose the death penalty? Yes, the government has problems, but if I can freely choose to oppose the death penalty (which the government implements) based on my religion, are they still "controlling" me?

Yes, I've read the passages that say that we should punish those that do wrong, but Jesus came to Earth and rewrote the law (according to our religion). He states this several times in the New Testament.

Kojinka · « **Reply #22 on:** September 22, 2008, 04:08:23 PM »

The Death Penalty is flawed when it comes to justifying the wrongs.
The justice systems make mistakes too. If a convict's innocence is proven after the execution, there's no way to correct the mistake. An innocent citizen has been killed for a crime he or she did not commit. Where is the justice in that?

Turtlekid1 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 22, 2008, 04:20:17 PM »

Quote from: PaperLuigi on September 21, 2008, 09:28:20 PM

To be perfectly honest, I oppose the death penalty because of my religion. See Matthew 5:38-42.

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Yes, I've read the passages that say that we should punish those that do wrong, but Jesus came to Earth and rewrote the law (according to our religion). He states this several times in the New Testament.

1. That passage applies to taking an eye for an eye personally. It's meant to warn people against vigilanteism, not the government doing its job.
2. He rewrote what he said he rewrote. I don't recall him rewriting any law concerning capital punishment in the New Testament.

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #24 on:** September 22, 2008, 04:29:35 PM »

When he said "You have heard that it was written, " and then said "But I tell you," he was effectively rewriting the old ways in the Old Testament (like taking an eye for an eye).

Turtlekid1 · « **Reply #25 on:** September 22, 2008, 04:33:51 PM »

*sighs*
Please read my above post before repeating what you already said.

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #26 on:** September 22, 2008, 04:56:03 PM »

Don't act irritated. I honestly can't believe you're supporting capital punishment when you're a Christian. Aren't we supposed to be...I don't know, meek or something? I really regret creating the War topic a few months back.

So you think when he said "turn the other cheek" he only meant citizens should follow it? I guess that means the government can kill whoever they want now.

Sorry, but I honestly can't believe Jesus would support killing others after they killed someone else.

Turtlekid1 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 22, 2008, 05:26:28 PM »

Please don't take that as being irritated. I'm not irritated, but I am a little surprised that you don't think capital punishment is biblical. Meekness has nothing to do with justice. And it also doesn't mean the government can "kill anyone they want", either (what I meant by vigilanteism was anyone taking the law into their own hands instead of into court). That's why there are court sessions and trials, to decide whether they should be put to death.

Jesus supports... you guessed it--justice and righteousness, whether it has to do with murder or any moral issue.

I really am sorry if I came off as irritated, that wasn't my intention.

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #28 on:** September 22, 2008, 05:35:58 PM »

Yeah, but didn't he say that we humans aren't supposed to pass judgement? I don't doubt that Jesus supports justice and righteousness, but we're supposed to leave that up to Him. I just don't think I could sentence a person to death, nor support the death penalty, knowing that I'll be judged if I pass judgement. The only thing we need to do as humans is make sure the perpetrator never harms another person, and I don't think killing him is the right way to do it.

nensondubois · « **Reply #29 on:** September 22, 2008, 05:38:19 PM »

@ everyone: I am religious but not in the sense of Roman Catholic. I believe in different a from of Catholic because some conventional beliefs or ideas just don't make sense to me. You took my definition "strong hold" a little too seriously. Maybe I'm paranoid because my age.