Author Topic: Vivian = Male? (Paper Mario) (Read 22414 times)

Tv_Themes · « **Reply #15 on:** August 30, 2009, 10:30:30 PM »

I see this is derailing into another Birdo thread, which will in turn become a Yoshi x Birdo thread.

Back to Vivian... It would have helped more if she/he/it didn't ACT like a heterosexual woman instead of a homosexual man.

Say, was Vivian (or whatever he was called) a gay character?

Weegee · « **Reply #16 on:** August 30, 2009, 10:33:56 PM »

Considering that (s)he confesses her love to Mario at the end of the game, it's a possibility to say the least.

EDIT: THIS JUST IN: The Westboro Baptist Church has just decreed that God now hates Nintendo.

ShadowBrain · « **Reply #17 on:** August 30, 2009, 10:35:25 PM »

Well, how much of that dialogue was modified along with Vivian's gender?

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #18 on:** August 30, 2009, 11:07:19 PM »

I'm pretty [darn] sure Vivian actually kisses him at least once. So...yeah. I'm not sure Nintendo of America would go out of their own way to do that.

Lizard Dude · « **Reply #19 on:** August 30, 2009, 11:40:34 PM »

Vivian wasn't gay, he was transsexual. There's a difference. You're not mentally gay if you're a dude who thinks you're a female.

Mr. Wiggles · « **Reply #20 on:** August 30, 2009, 11:59:49 PM »

Lizard Dude's post reminds of this one time I was in an AIM chat and I linked the others to the profile of this one poster on another board I go to. He was a guy who mentally believed he was a women and claimed to be a lesbian dating another tranny.

A certain member in that chat took offense not at the fact that I was calling him crazy beyond reason, but because I referred to him as a he. Then I got into a two hour argument about what qualifies as male/female.

Good times.

ShadowBrain · « **Reply #21 on:** August 31, 2009, 11:08:27 AM »

Has anybody here ever used the phrase "MORF"?

The Chef · « **Reply #22 on:** August 31, 2009, 02:43:48 PM »

Quote from: Lizard Dude on August 30, 2009, 09:43:02 PM

Uh, no. Brawl says Birdo is "indeterminate gender" .

Brawl also says Kaptain K.Rool is a seperate character from King K.Rool among other errors, so I'd take it with a grain of salt. The Captain Rainbow thing is probably better to go by.

Quote from: Tv_Themes on August 30, 2009, 10:30:30 PM

I see this is derailing into another Birdo thread, which will in turn become a Yoshi x Birdo thread.

You're a jack***.

ShadowBrain · « **Reply #23 on:** August 31, 2009, 03:26:34 PM »

That seems a little harsh...

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #24 on:** August 31, 2009, 04:17:25 PM »

I see this is derailing into another Tv_Themes thread, which will in turn become a The Chef x Tv_Themes thread.

Tv_Themes · « **Reply #25 on:** August 31, 2009, 06:55:36 PM »

I really don't see how that quote makes me a jack***...

All I was doing was saving my own thread from going severely off-topic like my Waluigi Dying thread.

ShadowBrain · « **Reply #26 on:** August 31, 2009, 07:00:07 PM »

On one hand, we have that thread, which presented a legitimate point ("does Waluigi really need to exist anymore?") with an abruptly dark title; on the other, this thread, a legitimate topic already explained in reasonable detail elsewhere on this site (though I won't necessarily fault you for not knowing that). Both had potential for ripe debate at first, but it's only eventual that serious discussion will derail and craziness will prevail.

Marwiio · « **Reply #27 on:** September 04, 2009, 11:09:37 PM »

Um... I could be wrong, but maybe you guys are thinking of this the wrong way?

The Journal and Goombella's tattle both refer to her/him in a questioning way. The journal thing is supposed to be written by Mario, right? That's what I assume at least.

Anyway, Vivian's sisters make fun of her constantly, calling her ugly and other stuff. So couldn't they being calling her a man as a insult to her? Mario and Goombella could have overheard this, and gotten confused about it. (Much like us. XD)

Weegee · « **Reply #28 on:** September 04, 2009, 11:15:21 PM »

The Journal is written from a non-character perspective, and recited by Goombella in battle with her own mannerisms included.

Vivian is a gender-confused boy in the Japanese version, but was "made" into a girl by modifying the translated script for the American release.

Forest Guy · « **Reply #29 on:** September 30, 2009, 10:24:57 PM »

Am I the only person who likes the fact Nintendo localizes gay/transgender/transvestite characters out of my games?