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Author Topic: Gaming's Changed  (Read 7100 times)

« on: January 18, 2003, 09:37:02 AM »
Remember when 8 bit was something special ? Back when the graphics didn't matter and all that mattered was the fun factor. Today, people are more concerned with the graphics and put fun second. For instance, the X-Box, which I will grant has acceptable graphics, but the games on it are 98 percent of the time not so acceptable. Yeah, I'm only 16, but I miss the 8 bit age.

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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2003, 10:43:33 AM »
Think about it though. I jumped from a sinclair 128K (you may not know what this is) to a Nintendo and this was, to me, a gigantic leap in graphics and this was one of the main reasons that I got one. Graphics has always been one of a consoles best selling points.

Also, I think that good graphics is becoming more essential these days because games designers are not putting effort into producing original gameplay ideas because ideas are running out and, well, they dont feel they need to when all they have to do is copy other peoples sucessful ideas and massivly increase the graphical beauty and it will sell.  
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2003, 11:31:52 PM »
Accurate, but shallow.
One person who disliked SFA gave this comment, trying to make an argument: "Graphics don't make a good game." I find this amusing, because the greatness of that game extends so far beyond the graphics. I never buy a game solely for its graphics. That's why I don't have an Xbox.
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2003, 09:24:26 AM »
That's great to hear Chupp. I didn't mean that to sound like there aren't some great games today. Because there are some awesome ones. Like Super Mario Sunshine and yes, Star Fox Adventures. Graphics do have some importance, but you can't build a system from it.

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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2003, 10:19:55 AM »
You guys are right, but the graphics make a game also more fun. Altho the 2D game´s were really fun to.

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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2003, 12:13:27 AM »
I agree that graphics can make a game more fun, because of the more precise control found within newer games, but if the play control's no good anyway, what's the point?
(I am not attempting to argue in any way. These are just my endless philosophical ponderings.)
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2003, 01:38:31 AM »
Philosophical . . . heh . . .
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2003, 10:11:55 PM »
Well, I should say it was the BEGINNING of my endless philosophical ponderings... I usually stop before I get much anywhere.
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2003, 10:21:00 PM »
I seem to enjoy 2D games more than 3D games unless its a shooter like James Bond or Timesplitters...

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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2003, 12:28:48 AM »
Aughh! Shooters! *choke* The only kind of shooting games that're good are space shooters! Aughrrh... *falls flat on floor*
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2003, 12:36:46 AM »
Again, I agree with C. Weird.  I hate FPS.  To me even Metroid Prime isn't that great.  One of my first hand held games was Defender, and I enjoyed that type of shooter.
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2003, 05:18:05 PM »
Yea, the Nintendo Entertainment System.


Well, Duck Hunt is a shooter and it was
awesome!

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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2003, 01:19:41 AM »
But Duck Hunt is another matter altogether. It's an NES classic!
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2003, 03:58:41 PM »
All i play is my NES. I'm all about the 2-D. simple is better. i'm thinking about getting a SNES soon. I need more mario games. I've beaten all the NES marios.

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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2003, 10:31:50 PM »
Well, then, you're better than me.

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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2003, 07:55:57 AM »
no, i just have no life

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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2003, 08:57:26 PM »
No, because I have no life either, so you must be better than me.

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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2003, 01:45:34 AM »
Do I have a life, then? Hmmmmmm, let's see . . . . my name is Watoad. Nope, I don't have one, either. So you can feel better now.
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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2003, 08:57:20 PM »
Hmm... I don't know what to type.

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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2003, 11:16:24 PM »
At risk of sounding like I just rehashed the general consensus, here's my two cents...

I agree with the original claim that gaming has indeed changed. We all know that 8-bit systems certainly did not offer top-of-the-line graphics, but it was due to the limitations of the system that game designers put so much effort in creating situations that were more and more "impossible" for gamers, to give them a challenge that kept them coming back. They knew there really wasn't any other draw.

Fast forward to the SNES. Wow, quite an improvement in graphics. Still a bit archaic by our current standards, but seemingly incredible at the time compared to NES. We still saw emergence of good games, but combined with visual draw, things became a bit more enjoyable. Granted, 4 buttons (not counting the d-pad or start/select) made it possible to pull more things off due to the increase in potential functions as opposed to the creative timing needed with 2 buttons, but environments changed to create more challenges.


Fast forward again to N64. Here is where we see a drastic drop in challenge past getting used to the abnormally shaped controller. Graphics were awesome, but without substantial gameplay difficulty, you get flops. What used to be an objective of drawing the player back for replay with challenge and graphics was now primarily graphics, and the more intensive console races made it worse. I'm not saying that N64 didn't have good games (Ocarina, Majora, PD, SSB) but the challenge was certainly gone from most of the games.


GC is still in more infant stages, so we can't make any real analysis until it's age is over.


Overall, I am disappointed with the priority of graphics over gameplay, but that doesn't mean that gameplay has taken that far back a seat with the latest games. I think that we've just been experiencing a time of experimentation and misguided attempts to lure consumers, but it will end soon.

« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2003, 11:20:08 PM »
HurlyGloves,are you Atticus?Because at the start of his/her posts they say "heres my two cents..."

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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2003, 03:21:02 PM »
Everyone loves Animal Crossing, and its graphics are terrible, or at least can be improved.  Everyone likes it because of its gameplay, not its graphics.

Edited by - redhat on 2/8/2003 1:22:16 PM

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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2003, 08:49:44 PM »
Yeah, but the graphics aren't terrible. They wouldn't be terrible 1½ years ago.

I was just thinking, it seems to us, now, living in the 128-bit age, that the graphics didn't matter as much in the 80s, but then, I think about the whole Atari/Intellivision/ColecoVision graphics war...

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Edited by - Chupperson Weird on 2/8/2003 6:51:07 PM
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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2003, 07:56:00 PM »
I think that the decline in challenge is not because of graphics, but because of rush to keep up with Playstation.  Before they came around, you could play a game, beat it, and keep coming back for more!  If you haven't noticed, all GCN games have that pathetic flop at the end and ending.  That's because stupid PS2 released some new "blockbuster" and GCN is just trying to hang on.  GCN is underdeveloped, like someone cracked the egg before the chick was ready.  Shigeru Miyamoto just doesn't have it anymore.  And neither does Mario.  Mario has a annoying, high-pitched voice, all he does is save Peach from Bowser, and for what?  A stupid half-effort ending and the credits roll.  What Nintendo needs to do is team up with SquareSoft and Capcom again, 'cause some of their best games came from them.  If you want a couple of examples for the cruddy ending thing, play Pikmin, Luigi's Mansion, Super Mario Sunshine (the ending is okay, but bowser's too easy), Super Mario 64, SMW, SMW2...
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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2003, 11:31:47 PM »
*shoots Mario Master*
...Uh, sorry about that. It was the first thing that came to mind. No offense or anything.

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« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2003, 01:27:01 PM »
If your looking for a good game story, play an RPG. Platformers have never really had and emphasis on stories or endings. That's why most of them are simple run-and-jump-to-avoide/kill-the-enemies-and-collect-items-to-makle-yourself-more-powerful-and-try-to-make-it-to-the-end-of-the-stage type of setting...*whew!*
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« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2003, 07:45:21 PM »
I agree with Mario Maniac.  Super Mario RPG, Final Fantasy...  all of them have really good stories and endings!
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« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2003, 10:12:06 PM »
Yeah, because that's half the point of that type of game!

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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2003, 04:57:57 PM »
I think Mario Master has a point when he says that Nintendo should team up again with Squaresoft and Capcom, because before their falling out, they were unstoppable together. As for Shigeru and Mario not having it anymore, I strongly disagree.  Mario still has alot of potential games. They may not make the same impact, but he's still got leverage before it's time for him to hang up his overalls. Yes, most Mario games end up being the same, but if you look at it that way, then pretty much all games are the same. Final Fantasy games are just about leveling up, getting specific items for each person, and beating some random guy at the end who is supposed to be a universal evil to save the world. Megaman games are just killing robots, finding Dr. Wily, and defeating whatever final challenge he has for you. They seem alot less fun when you look at them like that and any Nintendo enthusiast will most likely tell you that there's more than that to them.

Oh, and Pink Boo King, no I am not Atticus.

« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2003, 12:36:55 PM »
Yeah you're right, I was just paranoid that day...  Mario does still have a lot of potential.  I was just a bit mad about Bowser being so easy to beat in SMS.  And same thing in Luigi's Mansion.  Overall though, they were pretty good games.  Just a bit frustrating.  That's why I was mad.  You go through all the trouble of getting to the final boss, and then it turns out to be something like the SMS Bowser.  Still, I took me a while to beat him.  I was just surprised that there wasn't a second form of him.  Anyway, Mario does still has lots of potential and Shigeru deserves credit for that.  I just wish that Mario games were a little more... like Legend Of Zelda.  No more Goombas or Koopa Troopas or other weird things.  Just good, solid monsterage and some cool levels to go with it.
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« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2003, 11:41:14 PM »
If you want a Zelda game, play Zelda.
I don't understand it when people start saying that they want one franchise to be more like another franchise. That's why there are different types of games... so you can play different types of games...

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« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2003, 03:01:55 AM »
Pink Boo King!!!???*fuming*How dare you!!!!!!????
Anyway,I think I like Zelda more than Mario...Zelda games you can like...explore...In Mario games,its like theres a barrier.Plus Zelda music is nice & catchy!doot doodoo doot doodoo doo doo doo doo doo, doo doo doodoodoo doodoodoo dooooooooooo......(Saria's Song)

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« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2003, 09:02:32 AM »
WHOOPS! I'm so sorry, I didn't realize I did that. I know I was thinking "Pink King Boo" when I wrote that....sorry man :\.

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« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2003, 01:09:34 AM »
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