Author Topic: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 38: Console Mario Game (Read 13890 times)

Nintendoobsessed · « **on:** March 21, 2009, 06:24:01 PM »

What was the best and worst Console Mario Game? Remakes STILL don't count.

BEST: Super Mario Galaxy (1) (Sorry 64')

WORST: Mario is Missing (Snes) (1)

NOMINATIONS:

3D Game (6)
Nintendo System {Which system had the best/worst games?} (2)
Mario Spin-Off (1)
Mario RPG (1)

BEST AND WORST IN SERIES MASTER LIST:

BEST Winners:
WEEK 1(Attacks): Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga
WEEK 2(Final Boss Battle): Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
WEEK 3(Music): Super Mario Galaxy
WEEK 4(Underwater Levels): Super Mario World
WEEK 5(Powerups): Super Mario Bros 3
WEEK 6(Bowser Level):Paper Mario
WEEK 7(First Boss): Super Mario 64
WEEK 8(Yoshi's Role): Yoshi's Island
WEEK 9(Intro): Super Mario Galaxy
WEEK 10(Ending): Paper Mario
WEEK 11(Races): Super Mario 64
WEEK 12(Non-Bowser bosses): Yoshi's Island
WEEK 13(Hub):Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 14(Hub Dwellers): Super Mario Galaxy
WEEK 15(Title Screen): Super Mario 64
WEEK 16(Box Art): Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time
WEEK 17(Level Success Animation): Super Mario 64
WEEK 18(Ghost Levels): Super Mario World
WEEK 19(Castle/Fortress Music): Super Mario World
WEEK 20(Super Mario Bros. Remixes): Super Mario 64
WEEK 21(First Level): Super Mario 64
WEEK 22(Coins): Super Mario World
WEEK 23(Storyline): Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga
WEEK 24(Hub Music): Super Mario Galaxy
WEEK 25(Original Super Mario Bros Level): 1-1
WEEK 26(Characters): Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga
WEEK 27(Bowser): Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
WEEK 28(Lava/Fire Levels): Super Mario 64
WEEK 29(Sidequests): Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
WEEK 30(Non-Mario Playable Character): Yoshi
WEEK 31(Villian{s}): Bowser
WEEK 32(2D Game): Super Mario World
WEEK 33(Returns): Wario Land: Shake It! - (Captain Syrup)
WEEK 34(Block Design): Super Mario World
WEEK 35(Cameos): Pokemon Red
WEEK 36(Sports Game): Mario Tennis
WEEK 37(Handheld Game): Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga

WORST Winners:
WEEK 13(Hub): Super Mario Galaxy/Super Paper Mario
WEEK 14(Hub Dwellers): Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 15(Title Screen): Mario Kart Wii
WEEK 16(Box Art): Mario Kart Wii
WEEK 17(Level Success Animation): Super Mario Bros. 2(American)
WEEK 18(Ghost Levels): Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 19(Castle/Fortress Music): Super Mario Bros. 3
WEEK 20(Super Mario Bros. Remixes): Super Mario All-Stars
WEEK 21(First Level): Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 22(Coins): Super Mario Galaxy
WEEK 23(Storyline): Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 24(Hub Music): Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time
WEEK 25(Original Super Mario Bros Level): 8-3
WEEK 26(Characters): Super Mario RPG
WEEK 27(Bowser): Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 28(Lava/Fire Levels): Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 29(Sidequests): Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time
WEEK 30(Non-Mario Playable Character): Baby Daisy
WEEK 31(Villian{s}): Petey Pirahna
WEEK 32(2D Game): Super Mario Bros 2 (Japan)
WEEK 33(Returns): Mario Kart Wii - (Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Baby Mario, BL, FK)
WEEK 34(Block Design): Super Mario Land
WEEK 35(Cameos): Alleyway
WEEK 36(Sports Game): Mario Superstar Baseball
WEEK 37(Handheld Game): Mario Party Advance

Mario Party Advance's first appearance!

Turtlekid1 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2009, 06:38:57 PM »

BEST: Yeah, gotta go with SMG. Honorable mention obviously goes to SM64 and SMW.

WORST: I can't think of a Mario console game I didn't like. The one I liked the least is SMB2 (the one they gave the US).

jdaster64 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2009, 07:56:21 PM »

Best: Super Mario 64, since SMAS doesn't count. Sorry, SMW and all your other awesome old-school counterparts.

Worst: SMB2 would be close, but the SMAS version saved its reputation for me; plus the music is beyond compare. Discounting obvious misses (MiM, M&W, MTM), Super Mario Sunshine gets my "worst" vote. There's a reason It's made the "worsts" list over five times in these competitions.

Turtlekid1 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2009, 08:02:20 PM »

I thought that reason mostly had to do with the Piantas an BJ.

ShadowBrain · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2009, 08:21:13 PM »

Best: SM64. Just can't beat that thrill of the first 3D Mario game.

Worst: SMB2, if only because they ripped off another game to make it (not that I'm cutting SMB2J any slack--that game is adamantium-hard).

bullykoopa96 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2009, 09:14:43 PM »

Best is definately super mario bros. 3

worst...since I can't do remakes, it would have to be Super Mario Sunshine (otherwise it woulda been a tossup between that and super mario advance). regardless if you enjoyed it, you can't deny it was a really lazy mario game

BP · « **Reply #6 on:** March 22, 2009, 12:27:58 PM »

Seeing as almost all the handheld games are remakes, this one is a question of "best game" under the conditions that your favorite is not Superstar Saga, Partners in Time, etc.

Best: World. At least that's my answer most of the time.

Worst: Sunshine.

jdaster64 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 22, 2009, 02:18:09 PM »

Why is SMB2 so hated? Was it really that bad? The music alone would have saved it from "worst" vote for me...

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #8 on:** March 22, 2009, 02:27:34 PM »

Best: Super Mario Galaxy. This game was a wonder to play.

Worst: Super Mario Sunshine. It's a good game, but compared to 64 and Galaxy...it really sucked. The NPCs are especially annoying.

Sqrt2 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2009, 03:09:15 AM »

Best: Super Mario 64

Worst: Mario Party 7

Nominate: 3D game

NintendoExpert89 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2009, 08:09:16 AM »

Best: Super Mario 64 (It was the root of some of my favorite memories.)

Worst: Hotel Mario

jdaster64 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2009, 08:52:02 AM »

MP5 was ruined by random minigames, but I still hate SMS more than any Mario Party title.

Kojinka · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2009, 12:00:29 PM »

Best: 64 stands out to me right now. Sorry, Galaxy, TTYD, and SMW

Worst: I don't really play the sport/party spinoffs, so I have to go with Sunshine. I like the game, don't get me wrong, but the NPCs were idiots, Bowser Jr., and Mario was practically defenseless without FLUDD. Oh, and Bowser sounded like Cookie Monster.

The Chef · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2009, 03:07:54 PM »

Best: Super Mario All*Stars

Worst: Mario Party 8

(MC Ballyhoo needs to be purged from existence)

jdaster64 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2009, 04:41:23 PM »

I think SMAS maybe considered a remake. If not, my "best" vote's changing to it.

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2009, 07:55:24 PM »

Quote from: The Chef on March 23, 2009, 03:07:54 PM

MC Ballyhoo needs to be purged from existence.

I second that statement.

BriGuy92 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 23, 2009, 08:27:29 PM »

Best: Yoshi's Island

Worst: Yoshi's Story. Am I the only person who really liked SMS?

WarpRattler · « **Reply #17 on:** March 23, 2009, 09:27:55 PM »

Best: No vote. Too many good ones, and I could never decide between SMB3 and SMW.

Worst: Mario Is Missing!. Why are you people saying SMS is worse than this piece of garbage? (I liked SMS.)

BP · « **Reply #18 on:** March 23, 2009, 10:50:09 PM »

I honestly don't think that the spin-offs or half-games like Mario is Missing should be legit options. I mean, EVERYONE would vote for those. For everything.

NintendoExpert89 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 24, 2009, 07:08:57 AM »

Except they all qualify because they're on a console. Not all the spin-offs are that terrible. Some Mario Parties are better than others, and Mario Kart always has good staying power, but they shouldn't all be thrown at the bottom because of their status. Despite the flaws in SMS, I would say it is at least an order of magnitude better than something like Hotel Mario or Yoshi.

CrossEyed7 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 24, 2009, 11:17:19 AM »

They should qualify, but you can't judge them all by the exact same standard. Personally, I think Mario is Missing does a better job of being interesting and educational than Sunshine does of living up to and expanding on SM64's legacy.

The Chef · « **Reply #21 on:** March 24, 2009, 01:45:54 PM »

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Am I the only person who really liked SMS?

Well, I liked it. I just found that having to wash paint off of everything detracted from the awesome platforming challenge and gigantic worlds.

ShadowBrain · « **Reply #22 on:** March 24, 2009, 01:53:38 PM »

Since no one's mentioned it: Yoshi Topsy-Turvy. I never played it, but I've heard it was... yeah.

jdaster64 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 24, 2009, 02:25:58 PM »

YTT wasn't a console game, was it? And MC Ballyhoo, IMO, is not quite as annoying as Brighton/Twila, the MP4 hosts, or even Toadsworth in MP7, for that matter.

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #24 on:** March 24, 2009, 03:16:49 PM »

Oh yeah, Brighton and Twila are godawful hosts. Pretty much every host besides Toad sucks.

ShadowBrain · « **Reply #25 on:** March 24, 2009, 03:35:22 PM »

Quote from: jdaster64 on March 24, 2009, 02:25:58 PM

YTT wasn't a console game, was it?

Crap, my bad.

The Chef · « **Reply #26 on:** March 24, 2009, 03:42:24 PM »

Quote from: PaperLuigi on March 24, 2009, 03:16:49 PM

Oh yeah, Brighton and Twila are godawful hosts. Pretty much every host besides Toad sucks.

I liked Tumble and the Millennium Star. The Star Spirits and Toadsworth deserve props for actually being from other Mario games. Brighton and Twila were more original and a lot less grating than Ballyhoo, by far. At least they didn't have poorly-acted voices.

CrossEyed7 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 24, 2009, 04:18:28 PM »

I kind of like the day-night mechanic, but MP6's alleged "plot" eats brain cells for breakfast.

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #28 on:** March 24, 2009, 04:30:23 PM »

"Brighton and Twila, the sun and the moon, have always hosted the party."

First of all, if Brighton is the sun, why is Mario helping him out? Didn't the sun, like, wanna kill him in SMB3?

Second of all, no they haven't. Hudson apparently forgot about Toad, The Star Spirits, Millennium Star/Tumble, and the generic enemies.

"I know, let's play Mario Party to solve their feud!"

How will that solve anything? What they need is some anger management or counseling. ANYTHING would've been better than playing a board game. Talk about extremely awkward.

Luigalaxy · « **Reply #29 on:** March 24, 2009, 04:43:58 PM »

Quote from: PaperLuigi on March 24, 2009, 04:30:23 PM

"I know, let's play Mario Party to solve their feud!"

How will that solve anything? What they need is some anger management or counseling. ANYTHING would've been better than playing a board game. Talk about extremely awkward.

And board games usually induce anger.

Best:SMW

Worst: Super Mario Sunshine. Like the others, I believe that the NPCs stunk.

BP · « **Reply #30 on:** March 24, 2009, 04:52:42 PM »

Let me make clearer what I said before with one of my famed analogies.

This series of threads is not unlike a cooking competition and everyone's a judge. But say some of the candidates are, literally, plates of old stinky garbage. It goes without saying those will be the worst dishes in almost all categories. Most of the spin-offs are, figuratively, plates of old stinky garbage. Sure would be boring to repeatedly state that they're so bad. Was anything about Mario is Missing any good?

And I treat Sunshine like one too--not exactly fair on my behalf. I see very little good in it--but it's more worth playing than almost any spin-off if you ask me.

WarpRattler · « **Reply #31 on:** March 24, 2009, 05:03:59 PM »

I recall the music in Mario Is Missing! being nice remixes of SMW themes.

NintendoExpert89 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 24, 2009, 05:10:09 PM »

And I learned many tidbits from Mario is Missing! when I was younger.

The Chef · « **Reply #33 on:** March 24, 2009, 05:16:32 PM »

Mario Golf and Mario Tennis for the N64 are some of my favorite games. Their sequels aren't as good to me, but they certainly aren't the worst things ever. Same goes for Mario Superstar Baseball and Mario Strikers Charged (which I applaud for being stylistically unique amongst the spinoffs and amongst Mario games in general).

Quote from: PaperLuigi on March 24, 2009, 04:30:23 PM

"Brighton and Twila, the sun and the moon, have always hosted the party."

First of all, if Brighton is the sun, why is Mario helping him out? Didn't the sun, like, wanna kill him in SMB3?

The Mushroom Kingdom clearly has more than one sun. The one you're talking about is the Angry Sun, which was probably made by Bowser. Did you forget about the sun that guards Flower Fields in Paper Mario?

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Second of all, no they haven't. Hudson apparently forgot about Toad, The Star Spirits, Millennium Star/Tumble, and the generic enemies.

The plot of the game is contained within the Book of Dreams and didn't actually happen. It even takes place in some sort of "Mario Party World". Same goes for the plot of Mario Party 2, which was just an animatronic stage show at Mario Land.

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"I know, let's play Mario Party to solve their feud!"

How will that solve anything? What they need is some anger management or counseling. ANYTHING would've been better than playing a board game. Talk about extremely awkward.

They did the same thing to determine who would get the Millennium Star in Mario Party 3, plus if my theory above is any indication, it's just a fairy tale that didn't happen.

Really, I'd put the plot of MP6 above MP5's Story Mode, which felt worse than your average children' educational television program.

NintendoExpert89 · « **Reply #34 on:** March 24, 2009, 07:10:03 PM »

I liked Mario Party 4's story mode the best out of the first five. At least earning presents on the character's birthday had relevance to winning party games. Mario Party 4 is one of the only games other than the main series in which I completed everything (got all the presents).

Kojinka · « **Reply #35 on:** March 24, 2009, 09:34:04 PM »

Not to mention their justice system is even more broken than the US.

Chupperson Weird · « **Reply #36 on:** March 24, 2009, 11:32:58 PM »

Man you guys, I'll never understand the massive amounts of SMS hate. I always had a blast with it.

Kojinka · « **Reply #37 on:** March 25, 2009, 07:29:42 AM »

I love it. The controls are smooth, and it's no ugly duckling in the graphics department, but there's no denying the NPCs were morons. The difficulty was also inconsistent at times. Super easy at some parts then other parts are hard to the point where it's more frustrating than fun (I like a challenge, but not if it makes me want to throw the controller and curse out a storm.)

BP · « **Reply #38 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:13:59 AM »

I've given my reasons for thinking it inferior several times over.

Turtlekid1 · « **Reply #39 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:18:32 AM »

Heck, I don't hate the game. I've never met a Mario game I didn't like. But, the piantas, the drowning Yoshi, and the overabundance of blue and red coins make it one of my least favorites.

Chupperson Weird · « **Reply #40 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:48:50 AM »

Well I still find it hilarious that you guys are criticizing the NPCs' lack of intelligence when Mistaken Identity Cartoons are always stupid like that, and that's clearly what Miyamoto was going for.
Blue coins, eh, I never got them all, but never really felt compelled to get 120 Shines anyway.
Wide difficulty variance is a good thing. People who can't play games are still able to have some enjoyment, while people who are good can perfect their technique. You shouldn't have 100% completion handed to you. You have to get good enough to earn it.

Kojinka · « **Reply #41 on:** March 25, 2009, 12:00:46 PM »

I don't mind wide difficulty as long as it's not too frustrating. I hate those blooper rides. One bump into something and you're dead. I can see where they're trying to be somewhat realistic (Crash into a wall high speed with little to no protection, and your chance of survival is minimal) But here's what's frustrating about that; Mario has taken heavier blows than that, and lived to tell about it.

Nintendoobsessed · « **Reply #42 on:** March 27, 2009, 02:09:50 PM »

Super Mario All Stars counts as a Remake!

Week 38: Console Mario Game

BEST:

Super Mario 64 (5)
Super Mario Galaxy (3)
Super Mario World (2)
Super Mario Bros 3 (1)
Yoshi's Island (1)

WORST:

Super Mario Sunshine (5)
Mario is Missing (2)
Super Mario Bros 2 (American) (2)
Mario Party 7 (1)
Hotel Mario (1)
Mario Party 8 (1)
Yoshi's Story (1)

NOMINATIONS:

3D Game (7)
Nintendo System {Which system had the best/worst games?} (2)
Mario Spin-Off (1)
Mario RPG (1)

Next week is Secrets! (Brought to you by Chocobo)!

bullykoopa96 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 29, 2009, 09:00:03 PM »

After playing through Mario's Time Machine the other day with a friend due to lack thereof of a better thing to do, I don't think so many people should condemn Mario Is Missing as the worst console game, strictly due to the fact that it's an educational game, and that falls under a whole different genre. Sure it's not action filled, but it serves a different purpose.