Author Topic: Two Ganondorfs!!??? (Read 9114 times)

Hirocon · « **Reply #15 on:** April 20, 2003, 07:14:02 PM »

This whole topic is much ado about nothing. Obviously Nintendo did not originally care enough about the plots of the Zelda games to make them fit together linearly. I guess they tried with LOZ and AOL, but with LTTP they completely deviated. Not that that's really a problem. They are still great games. Having played through OOT and WW, it appears that Nintendo is starting to care about the plots, but what's the big deal? These games are about the LEGEND of Zelda. Legends are shrouded by time and interpretation and have many different versions. If they don't always make sense, deal with it.

Chupperson Weird · « **Reply #16 on:** April 20, 2003, 09:52:06 PM »

Black Mage, are you meaning that they are all completely different timelines, or that they are in the same timeline, just being different Links at different time periods? That's what I think, anyway, except where indicated, like how we know the Link from LoZ and AoL are the same, and the OoT and MM Link are the same.

Lemme see here, I dug up this here timeline:

Link 1:
-Ocarina of Time
-Majora's Mask

Link 2:
-A Link to the Past

Link 3:
-Oracle of Ages
-Oracle of Seasons

Link 4:
-Legend of Zelda
-Zelda II

Link 4? Link 5?:
-Link's Awakening

Link 5? Link 6?:
-The Wind Waker

I think that's right, but I'm foggy on Link's Awakening.

Hirocon, I don't think that's right. I think Miyamoto originally wanted to have a bunch of different Links.

Boy, "Link" sure starts to look stupid written so many times in the same post.

Edited by - Chupperson Weird on 4/20/2003 9:02:42 PM

Screech · « **Reply #17 on:** April 20, 2003, 11:49:07 PM »

I believe in the multiple link theory (though I used too hate it), but my timeline is a little different.

The first link is from occarina of time and majoras mask. most people agree on that.
but the link from link to the past couldn't have been link 2, because that would mean that link1 had to have a brother, (links uncle in LttP) which is impossible.
So I believe that link setttled down, and had two sons. one, named after himself, became adventurous like his father, the other, lived south of kakiriko.
The secoind link was from LoZ and AoL.
When he had a son, he, in the tradition of his family, named him link, and he lived with link2's brother(link3's uncle) and was in link to the past, and links awakening. then, his son did OoA, and OoS. then HIS son did the wind waker.
What bother's me though, is that ganondorf in the wind waker should not be ganondorf at all, but the pig we all know and despise,ganon(becuase the dark world changed him into a pig)

The world would be a much cleaner place if people would eat their own trash.

Sapphira · « **Reply #18 on:** April 20, 2003, 11:58:29 PM »

I have GOT to start playing the LoZ series games (I've wanted to, anyway, but haven't had the time or privilage). Right now the only consistant series I play are Mario, DK, and Banjo-Kazooie. But I *shall* pick up others and broaden my horizon!!

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Luigison · « **Reply #19 on:** April 21, 2003, 10:22:53 AM »

I have played all of the console Zelda game and some of the GameBoy versions, but don't know much about their characters timelines.

A guy at school said he thought the games where actually about 400 years apart and each Link is in a later generation. But, that would mean that Link had at least one kid. With whom?

Anyway, how does the Phillips CD-i games fall into the timeline?

By the way, the first Ganon you fight in WindWaker is actually a Phantom.

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- Shigeru Miyamoto on Super Mario 128

Black Mage · « **Reply #20 on:** April 21, 2003, 12:14:01 PM »

When I say that they're not meant to be together in one time-line, that's exactly what I mean. I understand the confusion though, however, what I believe isn't quite the same as you, although, I would conisder your explaination a valid one.

What I believe is that none of the Zeldas are meant to be together, excluding the ones that are obviously intertwined.

The way you grouped the games, Chupperson Weird, is basically how I'd put them. With the exception of Link's Awakening, as I would group that with Zelda I and Zelda II. The only difference in my belief and yours is that there is no order. I don't believe they're meant to be all encompassed under one time-line. That's basically what I'm trying to say with this jumbled mess of a post.

Oh, and Luigison, I believe the CD-i Zeldas would be grouped with Zelda I and Zelda II, however it's only my speculation, so don't take it for solid truth.

Screech · « **Reply #21 on:** April 21, 2003, 01:39:26 PM »

I believe that the cdi games NEVER happened and am doing my best to forget their existance.

The world would be a much cleaner place if people would eat their own trash.

BooBuddy · « **Reply #22 on:** April 21, 2003, 06:22:02 PM »

Really,I believe that all the links are in one timeline,just nintendo screwed up the timeline up.You see after AOL nintendo felt they made link grow-up WAY to fast,So they just continued screwing up the timeline.This(In my perspective)is the correct timeline

TLOZ(ledend of zelda)
LTTP(link to the past)
LA(link's awakening)
OOA(oracle of ages)
OOS(oracle of seasons)
AOL(adventures of link)
OOT(ocarina of time)
MM(majora's mask)
Then about 100 years later WW(Wind Waker)takes place beacause.....well dont wanna spoil it to anyone who dosen't own or rented the game.

as for gannon/gannondorf,I have no clue.I ownly rented WW and own LTTP so i dont know that much.....

Some things are better off unsaid

King Boo · « **Reply #23 on:** April 21, 2003, 08:31:29 PM »

I know that OOT is the first one,because ganondorf turned into Ganon,then stayed that way,as Ganon.Ive only played OOT,MM,OoA,OoS,WW & LttP.I dont know much...

Im the king,
you dino-guy,
ill smash you now,
so say goodbye!

Hirocon · « **Reply #24 on:** April 22, 2003, 12:11:04 AM »

***************
*SPOILER ALERT*
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You people are searching for something that isn't there. Here is hard evidence that the Zelda games cannot cohesively be put into a linear timeline:

*At the end of LTTP, the essence of the Triforce claims that Ganon has been completely destroyed, and the credits claim that the master sword sleeps again forver. Thus, if the games are to fit linearly, LTTP must be the last of the bunch. But LTTP takes place in Hyrule, and Hyrule is destroyed and the end of WW.

*All games featuring Hyrule feature completely different Hyrules.

*Din, Nyru and Faror are given inconsistent roles in the different games. Faror is supposed to be the godess of courage, but in the oracle games she is referred to as the godess of passwords, and is represented in human form.

These are just games, people. They are not novels. They are about gameplay, not plot, and any plot that can produce the best gameplay can and should be used in any new games, regardless of its consistency with previous games.

Edited by - Hirocon on 4/22/2003 8:31:59 PM

King Boo · « **Reply #25 on:** April 22, 2003, 12:46:03 AM »

Great hirocon why didnt you say spoiler alert!!!!!!!???
I havent even got WW yet!!!!

Im the king,
you dino-guy,
ill smash you now,
so say goodbye!

Hirocon · « **Reply #26 on:** April 22, 2003, 09:33:09 PM »

Sorry!

Falco · « **Reply #27 on:** April 28, 2003, 09:02:47 PM »

There is an order to the Zelda games, Miyamoto said this himself.

OoT
MM
LoZ
AoL
LTTP

WW?

I excluded the Gameboy Zeldas because they're side quests and could fall in almost anywhere.

And it's unsure where WW lies right now, but people have been saying it comes after MM. The new Hyrule is built over the old one that gets flooded, and that's probably why the games after that had a Hyrule with slightly different geography.

There's always inconsistencies, sure, and there are other non-Miyamoto theories about the timeline. But he made the game, and he says himself that the games are connected like that, so that's official enough for me.

Edited by - Falco on 4/28/2003 8:08:11 PM

Hirocon · « **Reply #28 on:** April 28, 2003, 10:48:40 PM »

****SPOILER****

At the end of WW, King Hyrule SPECIFICALLY SAYS that any newly discovered land will NOT be a new Hyrule. Myamoto can say what he wants. Perhaps he INTENDS for the Zelda games to fit together linearly, but they don't. There are just too many plotholes.

Edited by - Hirocon on 4/28/2003 9:49:52 PM

King Boo · « **Reply #29 on:** April 29, 2003, 01:08:40 AM »

I think WW & fopur swords are in there somewhere,one link did both quests.

Im the king,
you dino-guy,
ill smash you now,
so say goodbye!