Author Topic: Mario 64...and..others (Read 8231 times)

Super Luigi · « **on:** July 27, 2000, 08:11:33 AM »

I know everyone thinks Mario 64 is a bad game, mainly because it drifts so far from the storyline. But...Mario 64 is also a game of rejuvenation.

Think about it...the last Mario game to come out was Mario RPG for the Super Nintendo. Then, it seemed like NIntendo slowed down. If Mario 64 hadn't been released, Mario games could have died off from the console change.

Also...if Mario 64 had been exactly like the others..it would have been a little boring. The Caps were a good idea, and the paintings were cool too.

I know this seems weird coming from a Luigi fan, but in truth, nobody at Nintendo likes Miyamoto. Last year I did a report on him, and found out Miyamoto didn't get credit for any of his games until Mario 64. If this had kept on then Miyamoto could've quit...and no more Mario.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Mario 64 was a great game, which lead us to a new generation of Mario gaming.

Thank you,

-Luigi

I'm-a Luigi, number-a one!

Fryguy64 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 27, 2000, 11:58:08 AM »

I don't know why no-one likes SM64. Personally I think it's a work of genius. The 3D engine is matched only by Zelda64 (which pretty much used the same engine anyway), the enemies are great, I don't feel it strayed too far from the Mario "feel" either.
If we're going to hate Mario games for straying from the Mario feel then why does everyone like SMW2 and SMB2 and SMRPG?

I think SM64 is a work of 3-dimensional art. It's spread out nicely, the difficulty level is moderate, and extra challenges are abound. I still play it because it feels like a true classic already.

I'm a SM64 fan.

Fryguy - summoned from the flame

Super Luigi · « **Reply #2 on:** July 27, 2000, 12:15:20 PM »

I agree. Although I do not own the game, I have played it and beaten it, and I know enough not to argue when it was pronounced as "The Greatest Game on Earth".

It had features like none ever seen before...which was my point in my previous post.

-Luigi

I'm-a Luigi, number-a one!

Yoshi2 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2000, 03:59:15 PM »

Got a few questions for 'ya.
1.WHERE did you get the idea that everyone hates Super Mario 64?
2.WHY do you agree with this obviously false claim?
3.THINK of all of the classics, however. Isn't saying SM64 is the best game ever pushing it a tad??
Tsk, tsk, tsk!

Mega 2 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2000, 05:17:46 PM »

Like I said before, the Mario mechanics (from Super Mario Bros., Vs. Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 2: The Lost Levels, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, Super Mario Land, and Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins) are replaced in almost every game now days with new mechanics that don't fit into a system of pseudophysics (in Super Mario Bros. 2, Yoshi's Island, Super Mario 64, and others). I hope "Super Mario R.P.G. 2: Paper Mario" will be the one to put things back on track.

Help us, "Paper Mario," you're our onlu hope.

Super Luigi · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2000, 05:34:46 PM »

Hey Hey don't get hostile. I never said Mario 64 was the best in the world, thats what was said about it at E3.

stingy...

It may not compare to the classic SMB-type games, but it was still good.

Sorry to have, er, disturbed anyones thoughts of it otherwise.

-Luigi

I'm-a Luigi, number-a one!

Yoshi2 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 29, 2000, 09:53:18 AM »

Oh no, no offense. Heck, I just really like SM64. Those capital WHY's and such weren't yelling - a mere way of starting a sentence to grab attention.

"How a Mario Bug Changed my view of Life"
- Read this story and more at my web site.

Chocobo · « **Reply #7 on:** July 29, 2000, 02:30:57 PM »

Umm...What do you mean,"No credit?". Do you mean it as they didn't acknowledge it, or as they simply didn't say? Because When I was in little, I was reading My Super Mario World guide with all the extra stuff, and I read the article about Miyamoto, and ever since then, I've always been a fan of his.

Kweeh! Forget Whark! Kweeh! Is better!

Star Guardian GENO · « **Reply #8 on:** July 29, 2000, 10:58:57 PM »

I've never actually beaten the original SMB for NES, and SMB2 and 3 didn't display the credits when you beat them, but I distinctly remember SMW credits displaying Miyamoto's name ("Main Programmer" and "Producer", I think). I also have the SMW guide that has the interview with him, and he was openly proclaimed as Mario's creator in books and magazines published long before SM64 was ever made, so your statement about Miyamoto getting no credit for his work until SM64 was made is complete and utter bull****. It just makes me mad when people state untruths because of either the desire to dupe people or their own stupidity.

Must...not...harbor...perverse...sexual...lust...for...the...SMRPG...fan...girl...

Kirby Killer · « **Reply #9 on:** August 06, 2000, 10:52:59 AM »

I havent met two people ( I have met one) that don't like SM64 it is a work of a genius.

Mega 2 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 06, 2000, 01:06:22 PM »

I'm not saying that it's not good, I'm saying that it doesn't live up to the classic "Mario" games. "Super Mario 64" was really an experimental game, like "Wario Land 3D."

Mega 2 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 06, 2000, 01:07:04 PM »

I'm not saying that it's not good, I'm saying that it doesn't live up to the classic "Mario" games. "Super Mario 64" was really an experimental game, like "Wario Land 3D."

mario pro · « **Reply #12 on:** August 15, 2000, 10:58:40 PM »

Mario 64 is the only game I own for my 64,and I play it a lot still.I think it would be nice if it had some sort of multiplayer added, because you have to admit, It can and will get boring after you've found out everything, like me. I play the game over and over again,trying to beat it without dying, or I do some 1-up racing;I also try to beat some of my coin highscores, usually without sucess,though

Super Luigi · « **Reply #13 on:** August 16, 2000, 10:57:48 AM »

I've seemed to have spanned a lot of anger from some people because I said Miyamoto got no credit for his work. I never said he wasn't pointed out, but finacially(as in mula)he got nothing.

I'm not trying to dupe anyone into believing anything, but I've just seen several posts where people say Mario 64 was a failure. I don't think what I said was bull****, and I don't think what anyone else said was the same.

Just....try to control your emotions a tinny bit..

-Luigi

I''m-a Luigi, number-a one!

Star Guardian GENO · « **Reply #14 on:** August 17, 2000, 09:00:04 PM »

I knew there would be some people here with "lower intelligence" when Deezer first opened the forums, but this is ridiculous. What's your source saying that Miyamoto-sama was never paid for the games? He practically designed them all (except for SML, and possibly others)! Here's a quote from the Super Mario World strateg guide, "Mario Mania", in Miyamoto's interview:

"Q. How and when did you get started in the video game business?

A.I started working at Nintendo Company Ltd. in Kyoto, Japan in 1977 as a designer. At first I designed characters and artwork for arcade games. But in 1980, I directed the design and artwork for Donkey Kong, in which Mario first appeared."

I don't think he even would have stayed at Nintendo for over 15 YEARS if he wasn't getting paid! He would have quit a long time ago, instead of supposedly waiting until 1996 to stop being a slave to Nintendo(that's what work without pay is: slavery). Get your facts straight, Super; creating lies like this is insulting to the spirit of Miyamoto-sama.

Must...not...harbor...perverse...sexual...lust...for...the...SMRPG...fan...girl...

Super Luigi · « **Reply #15 on:** August 18, 2000, 10:16:41 AM »

Listen, why don't you just cool it? I never did anything to you, but I read that Miyamoto didn't get credit for most of his games(including Zelda and Donkey Kong). I'm not insulting Miyamoto by saying what happened to him up until about 1990 was unfair, am I? How could I even do that?

My statement is saying that Miyamoto deserves more credit, so why in the Mushroom World would you say I'm insulting him?

It sounds to me like your "high intelligence" is making you get confused...

Stop flaming.

-Luigi

I''m-a Luigi, number-a one!

Star Guardian GENO · « **Reply #16 on:** August 19, 2000, 08:02:37 PM »

All I want to know for now is what your SOURCE was for this (probably untrue) post? Also, why are you changing what you said? Before you claimed Miyamoto wasn't paid for his games up until 1996 (when Super Mario 64) was released, and now you're saying 1990. I think we can apply the saying "You can't tell the same lie twice" here. It seem as if you're trying to cover up your tracks. So, if you really did read this from a publication, tell me WHERE. Until then (and probably after), you won't have any credibility at all on this subject.

Oh, and this isn't "flaming". If I see someone posting lies on a message board, then I have the right to make it clear that this person is spouting out untruths. It's a debate, a debate that I seem to be winning.

Must...not...harbor...perverse...sexual...lust...for...the...SMRPG...fan...girl...

Fryguy64 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 20, 2000, 03:21:23 AM »

Dude, there's a difference between getting credit and getting paid.
Miyamoto didn't get his name up in lights straight away, no game designer does. But he still got credit for it, and indeed since SMB3, he's proven he's a wizard at game-designing, so he achieves much more credit than he used to.
But you don't need your name up in lights to get credit. Just because you didn't know who he was doesn't mean nobody did.
*this is sorta directed at all the points made on this topic - not to anyone in particular*

Fryguy - summoned from the flame

Super Luigi · « **Reply #18 on:** August 20, 2000, 09:52:06 AM »

First of all, I said 1997, because that was when Mario 64 came out, and 1990 was when Miyamoto was hired by Nintendo of America. He got plenty of pay and recognition in Japan, but when he was hired by NOA, as I said in the first place, he wasn't as respected by the officials there.

It even said in your post that he at first created characters and artwork, which was when he first started working at NOJ. Then, after the officials saw some of the games he created, like Donkey Kong and Mario Bros., he became a director of animation. He did this until 1990, when he was hired by Nintendo of America.

When he started making games at NOA, nobody gave him credit for it. He wasn't paid as much as in NOJ, and people there just didn't like him. All I'm saying was that although his name was on the game and he was paid for it, he still didn't get the recognition as a gaming-genius until Mario 64 came out. That was my point in the first place.

I don't have links to the sources I got this from, but I have picked up bits and peices to make his biography when I did a report on him. I searched his name and found articles, and that was all.

I don't know why you have turned this into your idea of a "debate", when all you have done was say what I've said was lies and that I'm trying to dupe people. That doesn't sound like a debate to me, because I don't like to lie to people, and I don't like to be portrayed as someone who does.

I'm sorry if what you think I've said is untrue, but I just think that Mario 64 was Miyamoto's "american debut".

It was also a good game, although it doesn't compare to the classics.

-Luigi

I''m-a Luigi, number-a one!

Super Luigi · « **Reply #19 on:** August 20, 2000, 09:54:33 AM »

First of all, I said 1997, because that was when Mario 64 came out, and 1990 was when Miyamoto was hired by Nintendo of America. He got plenty of pay and recognition in Japan, but when he was hired by NOA, as I said in the first place, he wasn't as respected by the officials there.

It even said in your post that he at first created characters and artwork, which was when he first started working at NOJ. Then, after the officials saw some of the games he created, like Donkey Kong and Mario Bros., he became a director of animation. He did this until 1990, when he was hired by Nintendo of America.

When he started making games at NOA, nobody gave him credit for it. He wasn't paid as much as in NOJ, and people there just didn't like him. All I'm saying was that although his name was on the game and he was paid for it, he still didn't get the recognition as a gaming-genius until Mario 64 came out. That was my point in the first place.

I don't have links to the sources I got this from, but I have picked up bits and peices to make his biography when I did a report on him. I searched his name and found articles, and that was all.

I don't know why you have turned this into your idea of a "debate", when all you have done was say what I've said was lies and that I'm trying to dupe people. That doesn't sound like a debate to me, because I don't like to lie to people, and I don't like to be portrayed as someone who does.

I'm sorry if what you think I've said is untrue, but I just think that Mario 64 was Miyamoto's "american debut".

It was also a good game, although it doesn't compare to the classics.

-Luigi

I''m-a Luigi, number-a one!

Mega 2 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 20, 2000, 04:13:32 PM »

"Super Mario 64" was released in June of 1996.

"There will be an answer, let it be."

Deezer · « **Reply #21 on:** August 20, 2000, 05:33:19 PM »

(June in Japan, September in the states.)

Star Guardian GENO · « **Reply #22 on:** August 25, 2000, 05:42:52 PM »

Miyamoto-san was NEVER "hired" by NOA. He's always worked at the Nintendo of Japan headquarters in Kyoto, Japan. Your statement about "Miyamoto's 'american debut'" also doesn't make sense, as that game was just as Japanese or American as all the other Mario games. It was created and developed in Japan, and translated into English in the U.S., just as all the other Mario games (except for Mario is Missing, Mario's Time Machine, and Super Mario USA) have been. I don't know whether you actually believe that you're correct (which you're not), or are trying to lie to us, but either way, everything you've said so far has been completely backless.

Must...not...harbor...perverse...sexual...lust...for...the...SMRPG...fan...girl...

TRM04 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 25, 2000, 11:01:22 PM »

Mario 64 was a let down in my opinion. It had its good points but doing stunts to acheive gold stars isn't exactly that fun when you think about all the aspects of the olden Mario games that were taken out. Where did the fire flower go? And goombas theres a few for crying out loud! And there wasn't many koopa troopas either. Come on, I mean they should atleast had a few more classic baddies. As with Zelda 64, I think it is great but its game play is similar enough to the originals that you don't lose the magic of the originals while playing it. That brings another point up. What ever happened to the concept of getting a power up and if you get hit you get knocked down a size? Well Mario 64 is okay but it is just missing to many of the aspects we all know and love to make it not as fun as some.

Super Luigi · « **Reply #24 on:** August 26, 2000, 12:53:48 PM »

Yeah, Mario 64 took out a lot of classic "mario stuff", and put in other things for it.

Something I didn't agree with was how they took out the Starman and made it into more of a "golden banana-ish" thing..

and, now I must respond to GENO's "debate"..

I told you, I'm not telling this because I read it, I'm just suggesting what I heard in an article on one of the gaming sites. I didn't know if it was true or not, and it apperantly isn't.

It wasn't my doing. I said that and you say I'm duping people. If you hadn't taken this so far we wouldn't be squabbling over it now.

Just...drop it. I was wrong. But at least I know when to stop.

-Luigi

Do my funky dance, Oy Oy Oy!

*does victory dance after SSB fight*

Star Guardian GENO · « **Reply #25 on:** August 27, 2000, 06:19:23 PM »

Hey, I was just waiting for you to admit that you were wrong. Now that you have, I'd be happy to drop it. No love lost there...

Must...not...harbor...perverse...sexual...lust...for...the...SMRPG...fan...girl...

Super Luigi · « **Reply #26 on:** August 28, 2000, 08:46:49 AM »

Ok. Just to show no hard feelings I'll...uhm........pasta...

-Luigi

Do my funky dance, Oy Oy Oy!

*does victory dance after SSB fight*

Mario Maniac · « **Reply #27 on:** August 28, 2000, 09:31:34 AM »

Mario 64 is, on a scale from 1-10, is a 8.5. It is fun in the fact that it does revolve around the Princess getting captured by Bowser. But the extremely small amount of enemies makes it one of the not-so-great Mario games that I'd like to play. I mean, 1 Chain Chomp, 2 Koopa Troopas, and only 6 Fire Plants (5 in Tiny-Huge Isle. and 1 in Bowser in the Sky), that's way too pathetic for a Mario game...

Mario Maniac!!

Yoshi348 · « **Reply #28 on:** August 28, 2000, 10:32:14 AM »

The big thing about M64 was that because of the limitations of the first gen software, there either wasn't enough experience or polygons to implement features like fireballs and enemy hordes. So they had to mess with the formula a little. So M64 wasn't like the previous games. Personally, I think that's fine, it turned out just great. But there are some of the people out here with what I like to call "Old Geezer Syndrome". OGS makes people dismiss new ideas and whine that the old games are better no matter how good anything is. There currently is no cure for OGS. Anyway, now that designers have a lot of experience in 3D, and the Gamecube blows the N64 away in polygon count (I love that Mario 128 demo, it's funny when they roll each other off the cliff), we might see more of the classic elements, depending on the direction they take.