Author Topic: Good Ol' Days... (Read 9637 times)

Golem · « **on:** November 24, 2000, 07:17:49 AM »

I'd say it was about right before PKMN(I don't hate PKMN).

Then again, I wasn't around for Mario's REAL golden age in the early 90's...
(I was born in 1988)

~teehee~

Boshi · « **Reply #1 on:** November 24, 2000, 11:52:50 AM »

YUP...
Before pokemon Mario was known any and everywhere. They had floats, and boats(ok so maybe not boats) I have seen a Float though.

(insert another dumb Boshi joke here)

Golem · « **Reply #2 on:** November 24, 2000, 07:21:37 PM »

Hmmm. Seems I was born so that I could be JUUUUUUST ready when the PKMN craze swept over...
But I'm a Mario cult fan still.

~Everyone goes "HUH?!"~

I don't get it either.

~teehee~

luigi447 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 24, 2000, 08:03:17 PM »

true!true!im gonna change my name to wariovswario!just to be cool.we oldtimers better stick together!(meaning boshi,me,Golem,and mog007!)

its really matt!

luigi447 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 24, 2000, 08:03:38 PM »

true!true!im gonna change my name to wariovswario!just to be cool.we oldtimers better stick together!(meaning boshi,me,Golem,and mog007!)

its really matt!

Hinopio · « **Reply #5 on:** November 25, 2000, 09:37:45 AM »

I think that gaming was at its best in the days before 3D. I'm talking mid 80's to very early 90's (91, maybe 92), when the NES was at its prime and the Genesis and SNES were just coming around. Before all this graphical eye-candy and millions of polygons and vector technology, game designers actually had to rely on a good plot.

Pokemon hasn't ruined gaming, it's just another fad. There have been many fads in the past, nationwide crazes that sweep millions of unsuspecting citizens into their sway. (Pogs, yo-yos, and the recent scooters are a few the kiddies might be familiar with)

Mega 2 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 25, 2000, 10:55:28 AM »

I agree with Hinopio, from the release of "Super Mario Bros. 3" to "Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins" was the golden age of "Mario."

Mega 2
Cybernetic Abiogenesis Project

Fifth · « **Reply #7 on:** November 25, 2000, 04:50:52 PM »

Yeah! Before 3D!

I know that 3D games do have there fun points, and one could possibly (on a long shot) consider them "revolutionary," but they're just not the same. No 3D platform game can hold the same fun and challange as the 2D type (all the "golden age" games.)

With a true game you run through it, finish all the levels, get a "perfect" or such, and think "Wow! That was a fun game! I can't wait to go through it again!"

With most 3D platforms, however, it's more like "Wow. That was fun... I wonder when the sequel's coming out?"

Think about it: if game developers were to move away from the whole "3D is better" mindset just for a moment, they would be able to see what else could be done. Instead of investing time and proccessing power on fancy textures and millions of polygons, new games could be 2-dimensional (in classic style, maybe enhanced to a limit) with maybe some nice effects. But much bigger.

I'm sure I can find many gamers who think that many of these new games just didn't last very long. Not only the actual run-through, but especially in replay value. If the space used for the 3D world was instead used to make more of a 2D style game, it could be huge!

That's all I have to say right now, but take your favorite classic game, make it much longer, and think about it...

luigi447 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 26, 2000, 09:55:02 AM »

did yall know that nintendo was the first game system?and then when they introduced it,sega then made the sega saturn,(eww)and then when nintendo introduced 3d on the super nintendo,sega made genesis(eww),that had some 3d just like the snes,and when they made this 3d game on nintendo,they introduced playstation!and when sega heard about playstation2 coming out in october,sega hurried and made the (eww) sega dreamcast.so really playstation and sega skipped straight on to 3d after a 3d snes,playstation and sega skipped to 3d.not hiding the fact that their copying!then playstation got down a little bit and went on their own.so playstation is ok!im still worried about sega though.they copied xenogears which is their weird thing called grandia.

its really matt!

Hinopio · « **Reply #9 on:** November 26, 2000, 11:27:22 AM »

Holy cow man, are you serious? You honestly think that the NES was the first game box? There were many other 'home consoles' years before the NES. They came about in the 70's, and I have never played them. They were dedicated machines, meaning that they were programmed to play a certain game or two. There were also several programmable machines out back then, too. The Nintendo and Sega companies only relatively recently joined the fray.

ParaTroppaCaption · « **Reply #10 on:** November 27, 2000, 12:47:05 AM »

I think it was mid 80's when the mario show was on with the two actors plyaing mario brother would introduce the Zelda or Mario cartoon. ( you fellow old timers know what I'm talking about ). That was Marios time at least. Not a day went by when i didn't think about mario or play mario with my friends I was about 5 or 6, the good old days, what I wouldn;t give to go back to that time for a little while *sigh*. Then there came the age of Sega Genises ( excuse my spelling ) and super nintendo wich changed the world of video games forever. Before then nintendo was video games, but sence sega came into the picture there has been chao's. I dream of a perfect world were nintendo, sega , and sony would join together to form the perfect system. No more buying two or three differant systems. Well this ends my long opinion, thanks for the attention span to read it :)

"PARATROOPA'S, ATTACK"

Mario Maniac · « **Reply #11 on:** November 27, 2000, 10:55:44 AM »

I agree with all of you... I love the old Mario games (Super Mario Bros. Super Mario Bros. 3 Super Mario World...etc.) WAY better than the new ones (Super Smash Bros. Mario Party 1 and 2...etc.) I wish that Nintendo would try to make more 2D games instead of wasting their time with these new 3D ones...

In other words: Nintendo needs to bring back the good ol' 2D games...

Hey! I just had a GREAT idea! What if some of us fans wrote Nintendo and complained about their new 3D game-fad...? We could demand more new and "classic" 2D games for the Nintendo 64 and Game Boy Color!

Mario Maniac!!

Hinopio · « **Reply #12 on:** November 27, 2000, 07:01:01 PM »

To be honest, I doubt that there is much of a consumer base for 'classic' style 2D games. For every classic Mario fan out there, there are five dozen 8-year-olds salivaing for Mario Party 17 or whatever. The kiddies are growing up expecting nothing less than top notch eye candy, and that will undoubtedly affect the future of games. After all, they make games that they think will sell...

Mega 2 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 27, 2000, 07:17:17 PM »

I don't think 3-D is inherently bad, Nintendo just hasn't made any great 3-D "Mario" games yet. Nintendo could (and hopefully will) create a tremendous "Mario" adventure game in 3-D, just right now they're fooling around with their 'new orthodoxies' and not considering the introduction of classic-style "Mario" to a 3-D platform.

Lee "Mega 2" Sherman

Sneaky Lying Cheating Giant Ninja Koopa

Nicolas 64 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 29, 2000, 08:56:16 PM »

YES!

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billy chilly · « **Reply #15 on:** November 29, 2000, 11:11:21 PM »

Okay, Mega 2, if Nintendo hasn't made any good 3D Mario games, what the hell do you call Super Mario 64? Oh, you know, that little game that invented the 3D platforming genre?

And why is it every Mario game you don't like is an "orthodoxie"? I get real annoyed by closed-minded "old farts" who can't enjoy anything released after '93. Not every early 90's sidescroller is good, folks! Let's face it, Mario is Missing was one of the most disappointing games Nintendo has ever released, and, *gasp* it was released during your "Golden Age" of Mario! Are good games, esepecially good sidescrollers, harder to find now? You bet. Does that mean no one makes good games anymore? No.

And don't think I'm some 12-year old moron who thinks all games have to be 3D to be good either. I was pretty aggravated to hear that the next Metroid game was not only rumored to be produced by a no-name 2nd party (Retro Studios?), but it was going to be 3D?! NOOO!!

My point? Grow up. Expand you tastes in gaming. At least try something before you turn your back on it or call it an "orthodoxie." A game is not required by law to be a sidescroller to be good, regardless of the painful lack of good sidescrollers.

billy chilly · « **Reply #16 on:** November 29, 2000, 11:17:04 PM »

One more thing. . .

Before you tell me all 3D games have no challenge, and that 2D games are the pinnacle of challenging gameplay, actually go back and play the "Golden" games. If you're anything like me, you might realize they're not nearly as hard as they were when you were 6. I was shocked when I began going back through Mario Bros. 3 (the best of the Bros. games, IMHO) and realized it wasn't nearly as hard as I had remembered. . .

Mega 2 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 30, 2000, 08:08:49 PM »

If you would read my post I said that 3-D platform was NOT a bad or unchallenging system. I also never said that there were no good "Mario" games for Nintendo 64, or that all 2-D sidescroller games were good. Are you even talking about my post, or did you get me mixed up with Mario Maniac? Please don't respond to posts until you know what the author was saying, that's what happened to the "Mario war" topic.

Mega 2
Cybernetic Abiogenesis Project

Fifth · « **Reply #18 on:** November 30, 2000, 09:29:05 PM »

Ooo! Controversy!

Hmmm, I guess I still haven't made my point too clearly...

Ok... take Zelda (not exactly a platform game, but I still have the same point.)
I've played and beaten both of the N64 games and most (I can't say all, I've never owned a NES) of the others.
The new games: graphically appealing, nice challenge, good story, lots of details... yet not the same. The Z-targeting battle system gave for some nice duels, but it can't compare to running aimlessly through the overworld and being smothered by fierce (well, not exactly fierce, but numerous! And they still hurt!) enimies, fending them off with an arsenal off items that had applicable uses (the ice wand: unneccesary, but great fun!) other than to topple one obstacle to get to the next level, the constant beeping reminding you that one more wrong step will mean the end of the line and another embarassing notch on the death toll.

I'm not exactly sure how to express what I'm saying very clearly, but I just played A Link to the Past last weekend. Great fun, great challenge. (Maybe the simplicity of the gameplay leads to more complexity of the game? I dunno.)
I'm also not saying anything against 3D games, but if there is a way to parllel that feel that you get with the supreme organized chaos and panic of trying frantically to right yourself onto a platform while accidentally knocking yourself off of it for the third time while trying to evade a barrage of enemy fire in a platformer, or the sheer joy of finding a well-hiden secret, or getting and brand new item that lets you knock soldiers off cliffs in a new and exciting manner (Zelda, of course,) then the game industry has yet to achieve it.

(Sorry for the lack of Mario citings, but Zelda was fresh on my mind)

billy chilly · « **Reply #19 on:** November 30, 2000, 11:32:21 PM »

Sorry about that Mega 2, that post wasn't directed specifically towards you, there were a couple comments from assorted people that really irritated me, so I responded to all of them at once with those two posts.

ps- I am NOT trying to start another Mario War.

Mario Maniac · « **Reply #20 on:** December 01, 2000, 06:32:36 AM »

Well the question I have for all of you is this:

When will Nintendo bring more "classic" Mario games to the N64 (or even Game Boy Color...)? I mean games like the great classic: Super Mario World, or even Super Mario Bros. 3... I know that Yoshi's Story was the first SNES->N64 conversion, but man DID IT SUCK! Baby Mario wasn't in it, the story and characters were so repulsively cute that I could've thrown up by just watching the screenshots on the game box!

We need more classic Mario games on the new systems... Super Mario All-Stars (one of the best Mario games on the SNES) was a collection of all the Nintendo Mario Bros. games that was sporting better graphics, more challanges, etc.

What I'm saying is that we need to have more of the old games on the new Nintendo systems... It's a good thing that Nintendo made Super Mario Bros. for Game Boy Color... at least that's a start.

Mario Maniac!!

billy chilly · « **Reply #21 on:** December 01, 2000, 02:45:32 PM »

Yes, Yoshi's Story was more or less the most disappointing game I've ever played. Not necessarily bad, just painfully mediocre. Especially since it was supposed to be a follow-up to Yoshi's Island, one of my all-time favorites. I have lost all respect for that particular group of lizards.

I don't know about reintroducing more classic Mario titles though, I'm sure Nintendo would get plenty harassed if they over did it. And the real question here is, could they make money off 'em? I don't know about you guys, but my SNES is still in heavy use and I already have Mario All-Stars, Mario World and Mario World2 (aka Yoshi's Island), so a compilation with spruced up aesthetics really wouldn't mean much to me. . . Though I have to admit, it would be cool to see the Koopa Kids in full 3D. . .

. . .while maintaing the near-perfect gameplay, of course.

Golem · « **Reply #22 on:** December 02, 2000, 09:16:17 PM »

Oh no. I'm not sayin' that PKMN was the downfall. I was sayin' around that time period.

An' I think Mario does better in 2D myself.
Puzzles are hard in 3D, but not action.

"Oh no! Look out, he's comin' for ya!"
2D: Jumps/Ducks Barely/Doesn't Miss
3D: Move to the Side: Complete Miss

That's my two cents.

~teehee~

Mega 2 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 13, 2000, 05:51:36 PM »

Since the words "Yoshi's Island" popped up on the screen, nothing in "Mario" has been sacred.

Lee "Mega 2" Sherman

Sneaky Lying Cheating Giant Ninja Koopa

billy chilly · « **Reply #24 on:** December 14, 2000, 12:57:48 PM »

Mega 2, if you'd just look past the cute graphics in Yoshi's Island, you'd see one of the best sidescrollers out there.

Or are you just mad Nintendo finally explained why Bowser is so hell-bent on killing the Mario Bros. and Yoshi?

Mega 2 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 14, 2000, 05:32:13 PM »

Uh...Bowser wasn't in that game. The graphics were awful, but that was just one problem. It abandoned the classic "Mario mechanics" and began the "anarchy" trend in "Mario" games. I think the poor gameplay is the main reason "Yoshi's Island" was such a flop. "Yoshi's Story" was just a minor improvement, and "Super Mario 64" was left tainted.

Lee "Mega 2" Sherman

Sneaky Lying Cheating Giant Ninja Koopa

Hinopio · « **Reply #26 on:** December 15, 2000, 07:30:27 PM »

I don't understand how anyone could honestly think that Yoshi's Island (the one for the SNES) was a bad game. Even worse: how could aforementioned person refer to Yoshi's Story (the one for the n64) as an improvement over YI?

Mega 2 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 16, 2000, 10:07:22 AM »

I think most people here agree with me.

A true "Mario" fan rejects these new orthodoxies. Only "Mario" newcomers who care more about what's new and popular than than what's well-made and forget about the classics once the hype is dead buy into this anarchy ("Yoshi's Island," "Yoshi's Story," "Mario 64," "Wario Land," etc.).

Lee "Mega 2" Sherman

Sneaky Lying Cheating Giant Ninja Koopa

Edited by - Mega 2 on 12/16/2000 2:05:22 PM

billy chilly · « **Reply #28 on:** December 16, 2000, 03:12:25 PM »

A "true" game fan knows a good game when they play it. . .

Fryguy64 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 18, 2000, 05:57:56 AM »

Yoshi's Island DID have Bowser in it - the last Boss, Mr. Smart Guy... You've obviously played it thoroughly...

And it remained as true to the old format as Super Mario World did. It was an amazing game, one of the most challenging and awesome platform games ever - and it even had a plot behind it.

IMHO, games like SMB were good for their time, but these days they're too easy, and need an extra kick of challenge.

Yoshi's Story WAS a big disappointment. What upset me most about it was that it claimed to be a sequel to SMW2. Yoshi's Story provided little gameplay for little time with a few innovative yet tedious ideas (such as the "sniff" function).

But if you weren't so shallow-minded, Mega, you'd realise there are great aspects of a lot (not all) of the new Mario games... and in actual fact a lot of them are no different from the ones you claim are so much better. Even in the NES days there were numerous spin-offs between the major release titles. Things haven't changed, you've just gotten older.

Nostalgia is the biggest cause of ignorance in mankind.

Chocobo · « **Reply #30 on:** December 18, 2000, 10:40:51 AM »

Well, to me it seems that the generation weaned on the NES and maybe Genesis/SNES are very old and experienced gamers. They've played alot of games, and gotten really good at them. Now everything just seems too easy, and more of the same. I agree, nostalgia or however you spell is one of mankinds's weaknesses. Hooom, Hooom I think that the Playstation was the birth of a new generation. Maybe I'm off my royale rocker, but they trid to market video games to the non-video game crowd. Of course, the graphics really impressed people and they got into it. However, they got into it 'cause of the graphics...Therefore, they were mentaly addicted to graphics and companies had to push this even harder. Of course, the Nesters/Snesters were more interested in the gameplay, the substance, the enjoyment, ya' know? Compaines decided to push towards the Sonies, rather than the nesters, because they belived it would bring more money. It seems that all of us "Nesters" are dying out. Let's just be thankful we've got some companies and people that are still aiming to please the nesters and the sonies both...I started playing video games when I was 3...Heh...

Mega 2 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 18, 2000, 04:08:08 PM »

Fryguy-I have beaten "Yoshi's Island" twice. That big guy at the end is NOT Bowser, it's just the previous boss expanded by Kamek.

I'm not just into the older games, I just consider quality, not hype. Anyone who doesn't think there has been a significant decline in the quality of "Mario" games in the past few years is just in denial.

And besides, the original "Super Mario Bros." is much harder than the "Yoshi" games and "Mario 64."

Chocobo-That's the same age I started playing Nintendo.

Lee "Mega 2" Sherman

Sneaky Lying Cheating Giant Ninja Koopa

Fryguy64 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 20, 2000, 11:34:15 AM »

Yoshi's Island took place in the past, so the character at the end (as Kamek says) is Bowser as a child. Kamek uses magic on him to make him larger.

Perhaps you're the one in denial. You don't seem to be able to face the fact that Mario adventure games these days are no more easy or difficult than the days of old. Yoshi's Story doesn't count because it wasn't made by Shigeru Miyamoto.

To think SMB is harder than SMW2 or SM64 is ludicrous and just backs up my point of you being in denial. For its day it was a great game, but I was seven at the time, and I still completed it quickly. It took me a month to get all 120 stars first time through on SM64 a couple of years ago, and it took me forever to get 100 points on every level on SMW2.

Of course now that I've done them, I can still complete SMB, SMB2, SMB3 and SMW in one sitting without warps (and in the last two - opening all the levels) - and have done exactly that in the space of a morning. SMW2 is much more difficult, and yet no less fun, and I'd like to see anyone try getting 100 points on every level in one sitting.

I get just as excited about playing new Mario games now as I did when waiting for SMB3 and SMW all those years ago. And that is because they're consistently wonderful. I'm not saying the old ones OR the new ones are any better than each other, but to say that they've gotten progressively worse is ignorance.

If I had to choose my two favourite Mario games they would be SMB2 and SMW2. And I love the rest too. If you honestly think that after and including SMW2, Nintendo has been making us crap games then go and play another console.

Mega 2 · « **Reply #33 on:** December 20, 2000, 04:16:33 PM »

"Yoshi's Island" was the first "Mario" game I ever beat. It took about a month, "Mario 64" 7 months, and "Super Mario Bros." I still haven't cracked. Old doesn't necessarily mean easy, it just means you've had more time to try to beat it.

Lee "Mega 2" Sherman

Sneaky Lying Cheating Giant Ninja Koopa

mario pro · « **Reply #34 on:** December 29, 2000, 01:58:14 AM »

I sorta' like all the games. but the first Mario featuring games I played was Super mario bros.- or was it Mario 3? well you get it.