Author Topic: BEST AND WORST IN SERIES? Week 27: Bowser (Read 16958 times)

Nintendoobsessed · « **on:** October 19, 2008, 03:16:55 PM »

Which Mario game had the best version of Bowser? Whether size or voice actor, or personality.

BEST: Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga

WORST: Super Mario Sunshine meh

NOMINATIONS:

Mario Sports game (2)
2D Game (6.50)
3D Game (1)
Non-Mario Playable Character (4.50)

(10 Votes = Topic)

BEST Winners:
WEEK 1(Attacks): Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga
WEEK 2(Final Boss Battle): Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door.
WEEK 3(Music): Super Mario Galaxy
WEEK 4(Underwater Levels): Super Mario World
WEEK 5(Powerups): Super Mario Bros 3
WEEK 6(Bowser Level):Paper Mario
WEEK 7(First Boss): Super Mario 64
WEEK 8(Yoshi's Role): Yoshi's Island
WEEK 9(Intro): Super Mario Galaxy
WEEK 10(Ending): Paper Mario
WEEK 11(Races): Super Mario 64
WEEK 12(Non-Bowser bosses): Yoshi's Island
WEEK 13(Hub):Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 14(Hub Dwellers): Super Mario Galaxy
WEEK 15(Title Screen): Super Mario 64
WEEK 16(Box Art): Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time
WEEK 17(Level Success Animation): Super Mario 64
WEEK 18(Ghost Levels): Super Mario World
WEEK 19(Castle/Fortress Music): Super Mario World
WEEK 20(Super Mario Bros. Remixes): Super Mario 64
WEEK 21(First Level): Super Mario 64
WEEK 22(Coins): Super Mario World
WEEK 23(Storyline): Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga
WEEK 24(Hub Music): Super Mario Galaxy
WEEK 25(Original Super Mario Bros Level): 1-1
WEEK 26(Characters): Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga

WORST Winners:
WEEK 13(Hub): Super Mario Galaxy/Super Paper Mario
WEEK 14(Hub Dwellers): Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 15(Title Screen): Mario Kart Wii
WEEK 16(Box Art): Mario Kart Wii
WEEK 17(Level Success Animation): Super Mario Bros. 2(American)
WEEK 18(Ghost Levels): Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 19(Castle/Fortress Music): Super Mario Bros. 3
WEEK 20(Super Mario Bros. Remixes): Super Mario All-Stars
WEEK 21(First Level): Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 22(Coins): Super Mario Galaxy
WEEK 23(Storyline): Super Mario Sunshine
WEEK 24(Hub Music): Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time
WEEK 25(Original Super Mario Bros Level): 8-3
WEEK 26(Characters): Super Mario RPG

CrossEyed7 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 19, 2008, 03:19:58 PM »

BEST: .75 to Mario RPG, .25 to Mario Galaxy (It would be an even split, but I have a feeling Galaxy is going to get more votes anyway).

WORST: Sunshine. More bleh than meh, though.

jmdblazer · « **Reply #2 on:** October 19, 2008, 03:24:44 PM »

Best: Paper Mario: TTYD. I loved Bowser's 2-d levels in that game. They should make a 2-d platformer game for Bowser and release it for wiiware.

Worst: Sunshine. Seriously? They Couldn't find a better voice actor?

And I vote for best non-mario playable character.

Luigison · « **Reply #3 on:** October 19, 2008, 03:54:15 PM »

Quote from: jmdblazer on October 19, 2008, 03:24:44 PM

Best: Paper Mario: TTYD. I loved Bowser's 2-d levels in that game. They should make a 2-d platformer game for Bowser and release it for wiiware.

This.

Kimimaru · « **Reply #4 on:** October 19, 2008, 04:22:23 PM »

Quote from: jmdblazer on October 19, 2008, 03:24:44 PM

I loved Bowser's 2-d levels in that game. They should make a 2-d platformer game for Bowser and release it for wiiware

That's what the creators thought too. The game isn't based solely Bowser, but it became into what we now call "Super Paper Mario."

CrossEyed7 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 19, 2008, 04:32:02 PM »

Also, there's a fangame called Paper Bowser World (and a sequel) that expands Bowser's levels into a full game. Quite fun.

Toad · « **Reply #6 on:** October 19, 2008, 04:47:22 PM »

Best: While I also liked the 2D Bowser levels in PM2, my favorite form of Bowser is.. the cartoon form! Ok, since the Super Show/SMW isn't a game, I seriously vote for the console Mario Parties (1-3 on the N64, 4-7 on the GC, and 8 I guess..) They show him for what he is: a Koopa King with magic powers (remember: the story for SMB said that he turned the citizens of the MK into blocks, bricks, and weeds) When he shows up in the MP games, he uses his magic to.. change the rules of the game. Ok, so that's a bit different than taking over the world, but an evil magic user takes what he can.

Also, I really like his character in SMG, so I guess that's one vote for MP (pick one) and one for SMG.

I'll come back and do my Worst later..

Worst: I don't know.. there were some that were better than others, but I don't particularly think there is a worst one..

Nominee: Non-Mario playable character.

Kojinka · « **Reply #7 on:** October 19, 2008, 04:57:01 PM »

Best: Either TTYD for the 2d platform stages between certain chapters, or Galaxy.

Worst: Sunshine. He was kind of meh, and he just didn't sound right when he spoke. I still think the cartoons had the best talking Bowser.
This is Sunshine Bowser's only cool part.

BP · « **Reply #8 on:** October 19, 2008, 05:06:47 PM »

That link killed me. But then I was given one more chance. I'm off to confess my sins, and will do what I can to strengthen my relationship with God so I can avoid experiencing what I did again.

Luigalaxy · « **Reply #9 on:** October 19, 2008, 06:06:40 PM »

That link was... creepy. As for mah votes:

Best: Super Mario Galaxy. It was good, what can I say?

Worst: Super Mario Sunshine. What in the heck is he even saying?

The Chef · « **Reply #10 on:** October 19, 2008, 06:07:48 PM »

Quote from: CrossEyed7 on October 19, 2008, 04:32:02 PM

Also, there's a fangame called Paper Bowser World (and a sequel) that expands Bowser's levels into a full game. Quite fun.

Kindly point me in the direction of this fan game, post haste.

CrossEyed7 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 19, 2008, 06:17:51 PM »

Here and here.

Kojinka · « **Reply #12 on:** October 19, 2008, 06:50:24 PM »

Quote from: luigalaxy on October 19, 2008, 06:06:40 PM

Worst: Super Mario Sunshine. What in the heck is he even saying?

MARIO, HOW DARE YOU DISTURB MY FAMILY VACATION!!

Kimimaru · « **Reply #13 on:** October 19, 2008, 07:14:30 PM »

Honestly, I thought Bowser's voice in Super Mario Sunshine was great. It really shows you the evil kind of personality he has. I think that same voice is used in a few other Mario games. As for that link Kojinka posted...

LOL! I saw the whole thing and I was laughing the whole time! Thanks for sharing!

Silver Metaknight · « **Reply #14 on:** October 19, 2008, 08:50:34 PM »

Best: Paper Mario TTYD: I though his size was good, and was an amusing character. His levels were so much funner than Peach's.

Worst: Super Mario Sunshine: He felt very tacked on because he was easy to beat, was too big but had no reason to be that size, had a silly voice, and just felt rushed.

missingno · « **Reply #15 on:** October 19, 2008, 08:56:40 PM »

BEST - Super Mario 64, come on, it was classic.

WORST - Super Mario Sunshine

penguinwizard · « **Reply #16 on:** October 19, 2008, 09:56:54 PM »

Best: Either Paper Mario or its sequel. If I had to choose one, I'd choose Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door. He just looks really good in that sharp-lines cartoony look, and in hindsight, it was good in the first game when he was laughing after defeating Mario at the beginning, just to give him a bit of a light-hearted personality. I mean, whenever Bowser does not look imposing or superior or macho, I like him. This is a good example of what I like. Again it may be the choice of a cartoony look, or that he looks cute and somewhat ridiculous rather than fearsome.

Worst: Tossup between Super Mario Sunshine or Super Mario Galaxy, but I'll give the disgraceful nod to Sunshine just for giving him a lame voice with English words. Look, if you're going to make him speak English, he'll have to be a lot more like the Bowser in the cartoons so it doesn't come off as awkward and embarrassing. I rated Super Mario Galaxy as second-worst because I don't like Bowser when he has that detailed bump-mapped shiny reptile skin. Jibblie jibblie.

Cartoon version of Bowser was pretty good too. Sure, he looked more like an artistic representation of his self from the first Super Mario Bros. game, but they made that work. Gave him a good voice, a funny personality... see, that's all I ask. The Koopalings meanwhile were sometimes on the creepy side, I just didn't like their cartoon selves as much as Bowser.

By the way, I just remembered seeing the Mario Power Tennis Bloopers on YouTube. Half the time it comes off as unfunny and uncomfortable, but there's some good bits. Bowser's more light-hearted here (someone remarked he does a rare non-evil laugh). We've seen the range of emotions that can appear on characters in Star Fox Adventures, Beyond Good & Evil, Half-Life 2, and so much more. Oh, and recently Zelda: Twilight Princess. I really want to see Bowser get more animated and have more of a personality, but I guess for now we'll have to rely on his Paper Mario appearances.

Chupperson Weird · « **Reply #17 on:** October 19, 2008, 10:48:52 PM »

I think people in these threads don't know what "tacked on" means.

Sqrt2 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 20, 2008, 02:18:31 AM »

Best: Super Smash Bros. Brawl - Even though he's working for Tabuu, it's nice to see him being his bad self again.

Worst: Super Mario Sunshine *cringes at that terrible piece of voice acting*

Suffix · « **Reply #19 on:** October 20, 2008, 10:51:48 AM »

Hahahaha... "MARIO! How dare you disturb my family vacation!!"

Best: SM64

Worst: SMS

I considered voting SMG for best, but... Bowser's role in SMG seemed rather nutty. Compared to his quest to make a galaxy (more like a solar system) from which he can rule the universe, Bowser's decision to lock the castle's Power Stars in magic paintings makes perfect sense.

Turtlekid1 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 20, 2008, 12:39:35 PM »

Best: SMG. Bowser's personality and mannerisms got nailed in SMG.
Worst: SMB... I mean, come on! He hid behind decoys the whole game!

Luigison · « **Reply #21 on:** October 20, 2008, 05:01:42 PM »

Quote from: CrossEyed7 on October 19, 2008, 06:17:51 PM

Here and here.

Awesome! I played them last night with my keyboard and think I just found something worth finding my HORI controller and USB adapter. Too bad these can't be played online with a Wiimote. On another note, I haven't been able to find my Super Famicom Wii controller since the move.

BriGuy92 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 20, 2008, 07:37:05 PM »

Best: TTYD

Worst: SMS

In other words, I agree.

The Chef · « **Reply #23 on:** October 20, 2008, 08:14:56 PM »

Quote

Super Famicom Wii controller

...Say what?

Luigison · « **Reply #24 on:** October 21, 2008, 07:34:06 PM »

Quote from: The Chef on October 20, 2008, 08:14:56 PM

...Say what?

Kimimaru · « **Reply #25 on:** October 21, 2008, 08:43:36 PM »

Quote from: Luigison on October 21, 2008, 07:34:06 PM

That right there is INSANE!!!!

penguinwizard · « **Reply #26 on:** October 21, 2008, 10:56:18 PM »

That's the one thing I want to see available through the Mario Club for America.

That and getting that Mario-on-Yoshi costumed guy at the baseball game to actually walk over to my seat for a change. Annoyed me that here I was and Yoshi's clear on the other side of the crowd. I thought I saw "Mario Club" on the banner, that's why I think it's related. Why Mario Club has been around for so long and never been in America baffles me. When growing up I thought the Super Power Stamps thing was the Mario Club, in a weird way. I really should have saved those stamps released in the magazines and bought a... uh... oh wait, I think that's how I got the Mario wallet, that's right.

Chupperson Weird · « **Reply #27 on:** October 21, 2008, 11:22:39 PM »

Super Mario Club is a debug team at NCL, if that's what you're talking about. I don't think you are.

BP · « **Reply #28 on:** October 22, 2008, 12:09:03 AM »

That'd be Club Nintendo, with the Mario hat emblem. They get some pretty cool stuff... and some pretty lame Mario Party 8 playing cards. Oh boy, I've always wanted an eleven of hearts with Donkey Kong's mouth on it.

Kojinka · « **Reply #29 on:** October 22, 2008, 10:20:10 AM »

Quote from: Luigison on October 21, 2008, 07:34:06 PM

Okay, I'm thinking the Wii needs an N64 controller attachment more badly than a SF/SNES, due to the unique design of the N64 controller.

Chupperson Weird · « **Reply #30 on:** October 22, 2008, 12:40:24 PM »

Except there's no way you would actually want to play something with an N64 controller.

The Chef · « **Reply #31 on:** October 22, 2008, 01:32:00 PM »

@ Luigison: Would one of those controllers work on a US Wii? If so, I'm importin' one o' thems.

Robert · « **Reply #32 on:** October 22, 2008, 09:23:38 PM »

Best: Super Mario Galaxy. The music made this brawl with Bowser the most -dare I say it...- epic Bowser fight ever.

Worst: Super Mario Sunshine, 'cuz it's what all the cool kids are choosing.

ShadowBrain · « **Reply #33 on:** October 22, 2008, 10:16:11 PM »

Best: Dang... I don't know. SMRPG for the still semi-serious, yet character-developed Bowser, but I honestly do think that the voice acting (say of it what you will) in SMS was pretty significant (Is that the only first-party Nintendo game to have voice acting throughout the cutscenes? Well, either way, it is hereby declared illegal for anyone to complain about Bowser's voice acting and simultaneously gripe about the lack of talking in Nintendo games).

Worst: SM64. Not so easy on the eyes and fairly simply foiled (but an unforgettable first boss battle).

All things considered, bring back the Clown Copter!

penguinwizard · « **Reply #34 on:** October 22, 2008, 10:43:41 PM »

Quote from: Chupperson Weird on October 22, 2008, 12:40:24 PM

Except there's no way you would actually want to play something with an N64 controller.

Well, some of us played N64 games with N64 controllers and liked it.

Now, playing a SNES game with an N64 controller, that I agree doesn't make sense. The DPad was way on the left and somehow uncomfortable to use, and it's just not fun to try to move a character in one of eight directions using an analog controller. Playing Yoshi's Story gave a glimpse into this. I hated having to slam-and-hold all the time just to get Yoshi to run.

However, I did grow quite fond of the Turok controller setup, where you turn and aim with the control stick and move or strafe with the C buttons. It's also the 1.2 "Solitaire" Goldeneye layout. Preferred it over the 1.1 "Honey" Goldeneye layout (how does anyone aim with digital control?). I got so used to it that I'm unable to play a FPS that uses dual analog sticks.

Bowser in SM64 is aging a bit, isn't he? I remember saying to myself in the early days of N64 that 3D graphics will never reach the level of detail as 2D, which was my response after hearing people say 3D graphics were so much better. I didn't see it, I just saw blurry polygons. Of course, now 3D has caught up tremendously. I didn't say anything about Bowser's look in SM64 because I accepted it as "Bowser's in it, the rest of the game's awesome, therefore Bowser is awesome". I'm not expecting a perfect recreation, but I just... you know... expected Bowser to look like his self on the game manual.

Speaking of which, I'm not sure why the game box, game cart, and game manual all had different artwork. Didn't it? Didn't the manual have Bowser setting Mario's rear on fire?

BP · « **Reply #35 on:** October 22, 2008, 11:14:24 PM »

It sure did. Games that have different art on the box, cart/disc and manual are awesome! It's a bit boring looking at the same image over and over. See Mario Kart Wii. On the box. On the box in the box. On the manual. On the title screen until you work hard enough to get rid of it.

Toad · « **Reply #36 on:** October 23, 2008, 10:39:28 AM »

Even then, it's still really similar to the picture you've been looking at for ages.

Kojinka · « **Reply #37 on:** October 23, 2008, 12:39:49 PM »

I nominate concept art for a future BEST AND WORST IN SERIES poll.

NintendoExpert89 · « **Reply #38 on:** October 23, 2008, 06:21:23 PM »

Quote from: penguinwizard on October 22, 2008, 10:43:41 PM

Well, some of us played N64 games with N64 controllers and liked it.

I have found it easier playing SM64 with the GCN controller as well as the Classic Controller.

Best: Super Mario 64 (his battles seemed to require the most strategy)
Worst: Yoshi's Safari (a robot suit?!)

ShadowBrain · « **Reply #39 on:** October 23, 2008, 06:28:53 PM »

Quote from: NintendoExpert89 on October 23, 2008, 06:21:23 PM

Worst: Yoshi's Safari (a robot suit?!)

Ah! I haven't played that game yet!

...Then again, I'm surprised anyone has (I am trying to get ahold of it).

Toad · « **Reply #40 on:** October 23, 2008, 07:12:04 PM »

Quote from: ShadowBrain on October 22, 2008, 10:16:11 PM

All things considered, bring back the Clown Copter!

They sort of did, in Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour (see the opening cutscene) and Smash Bros Brawl (Subspace spoilers! He jumped over a cliff into the Koopa Kopter.)

Kojinka · « **Reply #41 on:** October 23, 2008, 07:47:03 PM »

Quote from: NintendoExpert89 on October 23, 2008, 06:21:23 PM

I have found it easier playing SM64 with the GCN controller as well as the Classic Controller.

Best: Super Mario 64 (his battles seemed to require the most strategy)
Worst: Yoshi's Safari (a robot suit?!)

Ever played OoT MQ? Yeah, the Ocarina was kind of awkward with the GCN controller's C stick. Especially if your one of those gamers who like to play the songs in time.

Ultima Shadow · « **Reply #42 on:** October 23, 2008, 11:58:45 PM »

Quote from: Toad on October 23, 2008, 07:12:04 PM

They sort of did, in Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour (see the opening cutscene) and Smash Bros Brawl (Subspace spoilers! He jumped over a cliff into the Koopa Kopter.)

And also M&L:SS, as well as MKDS to a certain extent. It would seriously rock to have it in a full 3D game, though (it could've fit well with SMG, what with all of the retro references they threw in there; a two-part final boss with Bowser both in and out of the Clown Copter would rock seriously hard).

Nintendoobsessed · « **Reply #43 on:** October 24, 2008, 01:17:15 PM »

Week 27: Bowser

BEST:

Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door (4.50)
Super Mario Galaxy (4.25)
Super Mario 64 (2)
Super Mario RPG (1.75)
Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga (1)
Super Smash Bros. Brawl (1)
Mario Party (.50)

WORST:

Super Mario Sunshine (12)
Super Mario Bros (1)
Yoshi's Safari (1)

NOMINATIONS:

Mario Sports game (2)
2D Game (6.50)
3D Game (1)
Non-Mario Playable Character (6.50)

(10 Votes = Topic)

From now on, I'm going to put the games in order of highest vote to lowest vote, instead of voting order. ...Unless anyone really hates that...?

Kuromatsu · « **Reply #44 on:** October 24, 2008, 03:10:03 PM »

Then you'd have all the games that got no votes tied for worst, unless I'm thinking of something completely different.

CrossEyed7 · « **Reply #45 on:** October 24, 2008, 03:17:22 PM »

You have Galaxy on there twice.

ShadowBrain · « **Reply #46 on:** October 24, 2008, 04:30:48 PM »

That's just how awesome it was.

Toad · « **Reply #47 on:** October 24, 2008, 05:00:39 PM »

I have a minor gripe about the voting system: does it really have to be .5 of a vote for something if we can't decide? What if I want one full vote for Mario Party and another for Galaxy? I think the half a vote system should be thrown out, but I'm probably in a minority.

Luigison · « **Reply #48 on:** October 24, 2008, 07:05:18 PM »

That would make someone who couldn't decide have a larger impact than someone that could. In other words, you'd get two votes for being fickle, but I'd only get one vote for being certain. Not fair.

Markio · « **Reply #49 on:** October 24, 2008, 08:37:15 PM »

Best: Super Mario Galaxy

Worst: Super Mario Bros.

Toad · « **Reply #50 on:** October 25, 2008, 11:42:54 AM »

Ok then, how about this: If you want to do half a vote, it should be exactly that, half a vote. I don't like this .30, .96, .85 business. If you can't decide between your three favorite games for one catergory, .50 all of them.

CrossEyed7 · « **Reply #51 on:** October 25, 2008, 12:15:07 PM »

But that's still more than one.

Kimimaru · « **Reply #52 on:** October 26, 2008, 09:09:56 PM »

Quote from: Toad on October 25, 2008, 11:42:54 AM

Ok then, how about this: If you want to do half a vote, it should be exactly that, half a vote. I don't like this .30, .96, .85 business. If you can't decide between your three favorite games for one catergory, .50 all of them.

Or you can choose not to vote at all if you can't decide, like me.

BP · « **Reply #53 on:** October 26, 2008, 10:15:11 PM »

Yeah, half-votes are a load of failure. Pick one or don't vote.