Author Topic: Mario's Character (Read 14718 times)

Toad · « **on:** June 02, 2007, 07:10:59 PM »

This topic may have spoilers for various games ahead, so be forewarned..

What do you think of the individual character endings in MPT? I thought they were all good, but there was one thing I didn't really like.. during Luigi's ending, Mario congratulates Luigi by slapping him hard on the back and "accidentaly" stepping on his foot. Luigi then looks at Mario with a look that clearly says "What the heck are you doing? Why??" Wouldn't Mario have been happy that his brother won a trophy, possibly in the most challenging of cups?

I don't like the character Mario is becoming: during Paper Mario 2, if/when you go back to Glitzville a second time, and become a fighter again, Jolene tells you that you have to start from the bottom and work your way up again. Now, the Mario I thought I was playing as would have accepted the challenge and just gone ahead and started over, but the PM2 Mario refuses Jolene's offe: he shakes his head no and makes his little disagreeaing noise. Jolene either didn't notice or disregarded it (and Nintendo didn't program her reacting to that in..)

And then, in Super Paper Mario, the first time he meets Tippi, he just assumes that she is going to attack him on site.

I've always pictured Mario as a fun loving, carefree kind of guy, not an arrogant jerk that jumps to conclusions. Am I reading too much into things?

Area 64 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 02, 2007, 07:25:35 PM »

Well, at least Mario's getting some kind of personality. His personality has been very vague over the years. The only real thing I know about him is that he doesn't hold grudges, as evidenced in the MvDK games.

Toad · « **Reply #2 on:** June 02, 2007, 07:39:45 PM »

Hmm.. I guess I completely forgot the MvsDK games. You're right, he doesn't hold grudges. In fact, he acts downright friendly toward the big ape, even after going through the entire game to get his toys and things back..

Somehow, this discussion makes me think of the old Felix the Cat movie, where-in Felix acts friendly towards that cowboy character that turned him in in the first place. Pim, or Bim, wasn't it?? [\offtopicness]

The Chef · « **Reply #3 on:** June 02, 2007, 08:03:47 PM »

It was Pim, and now I'm glad to see somebody beside me who remembers that movie.

I believe Miyamoto wanted Mario to be goofy and awkward, and well as slightly short-tempered. I've always pictured him as relatively hang-loose when he's content, but extremely persistent when angered or upset.

BP · « **Reply #4 on:** June 02, 2007, 08:44:37 PM »

If you just had your brother, love interest and mortal enemy taken away by a blue guy in a top hat, you might be a bit paranoid of talking, unfamiliar rainbow butterflies too. I sure would be.

N64 Chick · « **Reply #5 on:** June 02, 2007, 09:35:03 PM »

Yeah. I didn't care for what Mario did in Luigi's ending in MPT either. He can be quite the rude little glory hog sometimes.

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #6 on:** June 02, 2007, 10:20:55 PM »

Quote from: Toad on June 02, 2007, 07:10:59 PM

I've always pictured Mario as a fun loving, carefree kind of guy, not an arrogant jerk that jumps to conclusions.

I used to believe Sonic represented this attitude, but I'm starting to turn the other way; Mario is becoming a huge jerk to his own brother, while Sonic goes out of his own way to help some unknown princess. And I'll be darned if Sonic isn't the most carefree, cool dude around.

In PM:TTYD, Mario doesn't even care about his brother's adventure, nor does he seem to notice all of the rude things his partners are saying to him. Same can be said for everything the people say to Luigi in Mario and Luigi:SS.

This isn't to say Mario hates Luigi, he's just kind of a jerk.

Adventure_Knight · « **Reply #7 on:** June 03, 2007, 06:50:12 AM »

Maybe Mario has some character development after all...

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #8 on:** June 03, 2007, 07:04:47 AM »

It also shows that Nintendo has randomly picked Luigi to be the butt of all the jokes that could be for Mario. Quite frankly, it's very old and unfunny to see Luigi get picked on; I was overjoyed in LM when Mario popped out of the.........um, what does E. Gadd call that thing where he turns ghosts into paintings? Anyway, I thought it was time for Mario and his tubby, glory hogging butt to get laughed at.

The Chef · « **Reply #9 on:** June 03, 2007, 07:54:10 AM »

I think the writers just like to make fun of Luigi's adoring fans.

Metric · « **Reply #10 on:** June 03, 2007, 09:05:25 AM »

Well, all these games are developed by different developers, so they have different writers and directors. Mario's personality is never going to be consistent, I don't really let the sports spin offs or RPGs change my view of Mario.

BP · « **Reply #11 on:** June 03, 2007, 01:12:39 PM »

Ghost Portrificationizer.

Glorb · « **Reply #12 on:** June 04, 2007, 09:57:14 AM »

I've always considered Mario pretty cruel. I mean, over the course of the series, he's racked up thousands, maybe millions of kills.

Kojinka · « **Reply #13 on:** June 04, 2007, 10:56:31 AM »

Your love interest has been taken away by your mortal enemy. AGAIN. How would you release that anger. If I were Mario, go out and kick the butts of the culprit's troops, and save my princess. That anger is more out of the repetitive nature of that rivalry. You know, Bowser kidnaps the princess, Mario goes and kicks Bowser's butt, and saves the princess.

Also, I saw those kills as means of protection. Most of those creatures, except in the RPGs are Bowser's troops, and you know how Bowser tends to hold grudges. Those troops are out to kill you.

But yeah, I think sometimes that hat traps some of the steam in our hero's head, and that might give him a hard time of listening to reason.

Are you sure Mario's not just teasing Luigi at the end of MPT? Big brothers tend to tease. Luigi's expression; who likes to be teased? Luigi's probably getting tired of his big brother's teasings, no matter how lighthearted they were meant to be. But ignoring your brother's adventures; that's just rude.

Yeah, sometimes, Mario can be a little rude in the games, but I don't let all those different games change my view of his personality. After all, they are just games.

Kimimaru · « **Reply #14 on:** June 04, 2007, 05:45:47 PM »

Actually to tell you the truth, Mario doesn't ignore people. This is a method used in many RPGs. Your character never talks and they leave YOU(the person playing) to respond to situations. I don't believe Mario is a jerk in any game. In MPT, he is simply teasing Luigi, not trying to be a jerk.

N64 Chick · « **Reply #15 on:** June 04, 2007, 08:44:51 PM »

Uh...no. If memory serves, Mario actually falls asleep during Luigi's stories. If that isn't rude, I don't know what is.

Boo Dudley · « **Reply #16 on:** June 04, 2007, 09:01:16 PM »

*Snores* Uhp! Oh!

Kojinka · « **Reply #17 on:** June 04, 2007, 09:58:00 PM »

He also falls asleep when the Petalburg mayor rants. Then again, I probably would too. He did wander off the subject a lot, and he didn't really seem to notice that his audience wasn't paying attention.

GiftedGirl · « **Reply #18 on:** June 05, 2007, 09:34:19 AM »

Quote from: N64 Chick on June 04, 2007, 08:44:51 PM

If memory serves, Mario actually falls asleep during Luigi's stories.

If memory serves, *insert current partner here* falls asleep, too. Maybe Luigi's just a bad storyteller.

Aleclom · « **Reply #19 on:** June 05, 2007, 09:38:21 AM »

Or MAYBE Mario's just a bum who doesn't care that his brother's off saving a waffle, or whatever he was busy doing.

Luigi can't be THAT bad of a storyteller; I mean, he got a series of books published.

Suffix · « **Reply #20 on:** June 05, 2007, 05:21:16 PM »

Actually, someone else wrote those books after conducting an interview with Luigi.

BP · « **Reply #21 on:** June 05, 2007, 05:40:34 PM »

A sucky after-game feature if you ask me--Luigi's stories had great potential for a Paper Luigi game, since he didn't spoil the end... Think about it, upon returning to Rogueport, you could meet up with Mario and his newest buddy, Listen to his long and equally twisted story, and Luigi could fall asleep to even the score... Even though I know how his adventure ends thanks to that blasted book series I'd buy and play it.

Kimimaru · « **Reply #22 on:** June 10, 2007, 09:31:26 PM »

I think Mario falls asleep during Luigi's story because it's so long. The book series you buy in the shop probably shortens it. Also, Mario DOES care about Luigi.

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #23 on:** June 11, 2007, 05:36:57 AM »

Quote from: Kimimaru on June 10, 2007, 09:31:26 PM

I think Mario falls asleep during Luigi's story because it's so long.

That's..........obvious.

Kimimaru · « **Reply #24 on:** June 11, 2007, 05:43:54 PM »

About Mario refusing to start over in the Glitz Pit, I'm not sure about that one. My guess is that he is tired from all that work of getting up there, and simply doesn't want to go through it again. Then again...he always saves the princess.

SushieBoy · « **Reply #25 on:** June 11, 2007, 05:45:41 PM »

And gets nothing but a kiss and a cake, some reward.

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #26 on:** June 11, 2007, 06:36:26 PM »

I'd like a kiss and a cake. I haven't ever gotten kissed, and I haven't had cake in a year. Not even at my birthday.

Chupperson Weird · « **Reply #27 on:** June 11, 2007, 09:05:37 PM »

I don't like cake.

BP · « **Reply #28 on:** June 11, 2007, 10:07:47 PM »

O_o!!
Right, but... Luigi does get props for his story. I love that music.

Suffix · « **Reply #29 on:** June 11, 2007, 11:42:45 PM »

I had it on my MP3 player during my Sophomore year. The only person that ever heard it thought I was absolutely insane.

Pt_Peach · « **Reply #30 on:** June 12, 2007, 01:44:49 AM »

All of you all have interesting points. I guess Mario IS developing a personality after all! I like reading you guys theories, so I'll won't add mine; I'll read you all's.

Toad · « **Reply #31 on:** June 12, 2007, 04:07:53 PM »

Quote from: Suffix on June 11, 2007, 11:42:45 PM

I had it on my MP3 player during my Sophomore year. The only person that ever heard it thought I was absolutely insane.

My fiancee thinks that I'm insane too. Anytime I hear an official remix of any form of gaming music, I'll get really excited and turn to her and say "Hey! That was *insert game that had original form of music, and location that had it*! I can't believe it!!"

Toad · « **Reply #32 on:** June 24, 2007, 08:40:39 PM »

I've just thought of something else!.. During the first little bit of Superstar Saga, Luigi is hanging out the laundry when Toad comes by looking for Mario. After Toad finds Mario, Mario runs out and jumps into his clothes which are still hanging on the line, and poor Luigi is dragged after him. When they arrive at the castle, Mario is dashing forward but then stops when he sees Bowser is ahead. Luigi, still with momentum from the jog there, slides across the floor and hits Bowser, thus launching the first battle of the game.

I would have thought Mario would grab the line so that his brother doesn't slide into the clutches of their mortal enemy (though I do think it was done more for comedic value. That was a pretty hilarious game..)

MaxVance · « **Reply #33 on:** June 24, 2007, 10:03:15 PM »

Mario was probably going so quickly that he didn't even know he was dragging the line (and Luigi).

BP · « **Reply #34 on:** June 25, 2007, 04:00:24 AM »

Quote from: Toad on June 24, 2007, 08:40:39 PM

After Toad finds Mario, Mario runs out and jumps into his clothes

STALKER!! Heh heh heh...
I bet Mario and Luigi split the chores, though. Mario probably gets the garden-protecting job in which he stomps on Monty Moles, and I would bet my arm and a dollar that he does the dishes at least half of the time. Meh...
I hate all chores but I end up having to do the majority anyway. How could she lie and say she had done the dishes the previous night?! Why, I'd done them that day!! And there were clearly dishes in there when I went in the early hours. But it's me, I'm such a pushover and I do it... But it's not just her. My parents have me do chores all the time before asking her! I mean, and right after she gets...!! What do I get? Hollow promises that don't come true? But that's my fault too, I could have brought it up beforehand... No, I blame myself for everything! But that's as it's always been, because I'm the youngest and so... But that would have been so much more fun if I had. Instead, my only memory is that crazy dude... But I could have had that as an inside joke with...!! And when I was nine... They told me I could... BUT THEY HAD TO CRASH AN AIRPLANE INTO IT A FEW MONTHS AFTER!! Why? Why?? If I were to join the army that would be the sole purpose... Although I did get to go a couple of years ago. And it wasn't bad...
Oh, er, sorry. I'm frowning on the inside. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I should go to bed.

Kimimaru · « **Reply #35 on:** June 30, 2007, 03:03:07 PM »

No comment.

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #36 on:** June 30, 2007, 03:14:32 PM »

No offence dude, but if you don't have a comment, then you're wasting a post.

MaxVance · « **Reply #37 on:** June 30, 2007, 05:15:12 PM »

Except "no comment" has more meaning than it seems.

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #38 on:** June 30, 2007, 06:31:05 PM »

Hah, I had to read Bird Person's post again to understand why he said "no comment". Sorry about that, dude.

BP · « **Reply #39 on:** July 01, 2007, 12:46:40 AM »

Sorry, all. Won't happen again. For the record, though, my sister never folded that other basket of laundry. My mom ended up doing it.

~Lavender · « **Reply #40 on:** July 01, 2007, 12:01:37 PM »

I always thought of Mario as arrogant yet heart-loving at the same time. Luigi may show his personality more since he is not the one thats always controlled but its pretty fun determining Mario's character.

Sometimes Ive even thought of him as lazy, like in Super Mario Sunshine, the guy sweeping around in the hotel where the ghosts were at asked Mario if he could use a vacuum to get rid of them, and later he said "What, why are you looking at me like that?" but that could have reminded him of Luigi..but who can really blame him since he was forced to clean an entire island up....

I honestly think a lot of things change for the characters because of whoever is running the game. Like Luigi, isnt he supposed to be known as the intelligent type? the "Mario is brawns and Luigi is brains" thing but however it doesnt show very much in the ML series, and they make him more of a goof instead. I may be wrong though since I havent really fully played both of the games >< Thats why I think its just whoever is managing the game >_> It gets on my nerves.

In one of the MPT trophy sequences (I forgot the character who wins ><) Luigi falls and Mario (along with Peach) tries to help him get up, however Mario doesnt do a thing in M and L when Luigi gets hurt. Then, this isnt much but in the title screen for Luigi's Mario Party theme Wario is trying to attack Luigi and you can see Mario aiming to pull him back, and for MT64 he jumps in when Luigi is about to fight Waluigi in the opening sequence.

Oh, and didn't the Star Gate in PIT mention in some way that he cares about luigi?

Well, ok I hope I wasn't going off its just everyone seemed to be discussing whether he cares for luigi or not..

Mario has all kinds of traits to me though. Like..he's hyper, but also has a bad temper on some cases. Nintendo of Europe released his public diary a few years back....when they were celebrating his anniversary or something, and each page had Mario summarizing one of his adventures. One of the pages Mario even admits he gets tired of Peach getting kidnapped, but he still does it anyway and thats what makes him so kind hearted. And then on another diary entry, he was talking about when he met Lord Crump and called him a Son of a gun. I'd never expect mario to say that o.0

NOE could have just done that for fun but they made it seemed like he really wrote it from the advertising. but dont jump me or anything >< I'll try and look for it again if I can.

SUPERTOAD! · « **Reply #41 on:** July 09, 2007, 08:54:09 AM »

About mario toward luigi i noticed that mario almost NEVER saves luigi yet luigi saved him twice!

Kojinka · « **Reply #42 on:** July 09, 2007, 11:54:07 AM »

That's probably because Mario's a bigger target than Luigi. Actually, I can name at least one time that Mario saved Luigi.

N64 Chick · « **Reply #43 on:** July 09, 2007, 01:15:23 PM »

Super Mario 64 DS, correct?

Kojinka · « **Reply #44 on:** July 09, 2007, 01:50:23 PM »

Actually, I was focusing on Yoshi's Island (Although Baby Mario did have help from the Yoshis), but I guess SM64DS could count.

Shyguy92 · « **Reply #45 on:** July 11, 2007, 04:23:51 PM »

Quote from: Kojinka on June 04, 2007, 10:56:31 AM

"...After all, they are just games..."

Are you saying that Mario has a life in someplace other than in games? (not counting the movies or T.V. shows, they're just twisted.)

volbound1700 · « **Reply #46 on:** July 21, 2007, 11:05:06 PM »

Actually the modern DK from DKC and on is DK Jr from the original ones according to the DK storyline.

ZGDK · « **Reply #47 on:** August 08, 2007, 12:26:52 PM »

I think it's simply that Mario is becoming stronger, in a world where almost everyone is your enemy you have to defensive.

Super Mario · « **Reply #48 on:** August 20, 2007, 03:07:20 AM »

Crikey.

I feel like a lot of the examples cited here are reading into Mario's actions too much, where he does something that's meant purely to be humorous. Like falling asleep during Luigi's stories? It's supposed to be funny.

Look past goofy situations and spin-offs to what Mario actually ends up doing: saving the day and helping people.