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Author Topic: Yoshi, the gender bender  (Read 34072 times)

« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2002, 03:38:30 PM »
They don't actually LAY the eggs. And besides, the new versions of Pokemon have breeding and the Pokemon are different genders.

« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2002, 08:06:04 AM »
There Are Female Yoshis!!!
Hello.

« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2012, 02:09:33 PM »
And on the 12 year anniversary of this topic.  I shall add a more modern response. 
According to the Japanese version of Super Smash Bros Melee., they reproduce asexually, but I doubt this is canon.  He has since been referred continuously as a "he". 
Plus it would be cruel for Yoshi to continuously abort his babies by throwing them against enemies. 
Also, why would Birdo be so attracted to him if he/she...whatever couldn't have sex with him?

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« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2012, 04:41:37 PM »
You speak as though it's not possible to be attracted to someone for reasons other than sex.

CrossEyed7

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« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2012, 05:22:28 PM »
Plus it would be cruel for Yoshi to continuously abort his babies by throwing them against enemies. 
Many animals eat their own young -- particularly in egg-laying species like fish and birds, though it's also been thoroughly documented in mammals. Shark fetuses, rather than having placentas, get their nutrition from eating each other in the womb. Not a stretch to think there's a species that weaponizes its young. There probably is one, actually; just can't think of or find one right now.

(some further reading: [1], [2], [3], [4])

A big part of the weirdness comes from yoshis being at that intersection between human and animal. Sharks and pigs and other animals that eat their young are either djur or varelse on Demosthenes' Hierarchy of Foreignness; yoshis are clearly ramen.

We live in a world with only one species, homo sapiens, firmly identified as hnau. There's a case to be made for including other species -- cetaceans, primates, elephants, possibly even some crows and parrots -- but because we can't communicate with them (except for when we can), we're usually mentally able to keep them securely within the animal category. But in the Mushroom World, multiple disparate species with about equal intelligence are fully able to communicate with each other and mingle freely. In examining a truly multi-species society, we're hit with heavy culture shock as we are forced to examine which of our characteristics are inherent to higher cognition, and which are specific to our primate roots -- to recognize the difference between "human" and "person."

(check out this dude for some intriguing theorizing about multi-sapient worlds)



Going back to acting like yoshis are pretty much just human for the time being:


Also, why would Birdo be so attracted to him if he/she...whatever couldn't have sex with him?
Not all romantic relationships are sexual.


(this is using "asexual" in the human sense, referring to people who do not feel sexual desire, not the biological definition used in Melee; it is possible that yoshis are both or neither or somewhere else entirely)

It does make sense, in a way, that the two Mario characters (for the sake of argument, treating Yoshi and Birdo as characters rather than as species) that most clearly defy human heteronormativity would share a connection.

Also... between Yoshi's tongue and Birdo's... um... "mouth"... I think they could figure something out if they wanted to take their relationship to that level.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2012, 10:25:41 PM by CrossEyed7 »
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« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2012, 08:06:26 PM »
Sex doesn't exist in the Mushroom World anyway. Babies are brought by the Stork and a mere kiss on the lips is considered scandalous if the dialog in PMTTYD is anything to go by.

BP

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« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2012, 12:25:51 AM »
Eh, I'd say Goombella reacts to Ms. Mowz's behavior relatively normally.

Unless you'd like to insinuate that Misstar heals 20 of Mario's HP by doing it with him
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CrossEyed7

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« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2012, 05:47:26 AM »








New theory: Peach's ???/XXX is her scrapbook of pictures of guys doing it.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2012, 12:28:53 PM by CrossEyed7 »
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« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2012, 05:48:11 PM »
*Looks at topic*  My twelve-year-ago self made a post involving gender? That does sound vaguely like something I'd do.

Nice point about the asexual romance, CrossEyed.
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« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2012, 10:55:55 AM »
You speak as though it's not possible to be attracted to someone for reasons other than sex.
Of course it's possible, but it would have to be platonic. 

CrossEyed7

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« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2012, 12:47:49 PM »
Asexuality and aromanticism are not necessarily mutually inclusive. It is possible for romance to be separate from sex. Yoshi and Birdo may well be in a relationship even if they don't have a method and/or desire to have sex (again, assuming that sex exists in the Mushroom World in a form somehow resembling our own -- off the top of my head, I can't think of any concrete evidence in any Mario canon pointing in that direction, and Yoshi's Island, while not necessarily disproving it, certainly doesn't help).
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« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2012, 01:30:17 PM »
And on the 12 year anniversary of this topic.
My everything feels really old all of a sudden.
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