Author Topic: Yoshi and the Yoshi-theme: Abused!? (Read 7682 times)

Hope(N Forever) · « **on:** January 27, 2004, 11:38:18 AM »

Ever since Shigefumi Hino created Yoshi for his first appearance in Super Mario World, this has altered the original Super Mario Universe --- forever!

Today, Hino's dino character has became famous and is known widely! In fact, many websites were created in honour of Yoshi and his other yoshi friends! Sites like:

-Yoshi Art

-Yoshi's Melon Patch

...and if you search a bit harder, you'd find more!!

Unfortunately, although it is 'officially' stated that the character is more appealling to little ones, it seems some grown-up people has taken Hino's 'Yoshi-theme' and turned it into something that appealls to their own taste. This act is not illegal, but if you take a look into sites like Luna's Sanctuary, Corra-ki, Vappy.net, Yoshi6400's Web Zone, and... uh... *ahem*

(Y'know what? I won't even say the name of the last site, because it has artwork full of explicit adult/Yoshi themed pics, some are even pornographic!!)

If you look at the artwork of their 'original' characters properly, you'd find yoshis with anatomical structures much different than Hino's original design, as well as crossing species with those yoshis and hybridity! Beware of the adult themed pics!!

So what is my point here?

Do you think, as a Super Mario based fan, that Yoshi and Hino's 'Yoshi-theme' are being abused just way too much!?

I am a pure Super Mario lover!!

...and in no point in the future will he ever be abandonded by me!

I will even drawn the best Super Mario comics ever to exist!!

Edited by - Hope(N Forever) on 1/27/2004 11:46:35 AM

WanWan · « **Reply #1 on:** January 27, 2004, 04:52:58 PM »

When I first clicked this topic I thought it was going to be another one of those long "Is Mario hitting Yoshi?" debates that tend to spread through these boards every year or so, heh.

To answer your question, I don't see how any of those things "abuses" Yoshi. I mean granted, I'm old and cynical and bidding on a YGO yaoi doujinshi on eBay later tonight, but they're only fanworks, and frankly I've seen worse. Also, copyright laws in Japan are different--it's perfectly legal, for example, to create a sexually explicit and/or deviant comic of someone else's copyrighted characters, even characters aimed at a very young audience, and sell it for commercial profit. Once again I have seen a number of offputting Mario fancomics for sale and they're Japanese characters, and it's not illegal.

All that is moot anyway because I still don't really see how you can abuse a fictional character. It's not like the porn sites are marketed for children.

Edited to add that I missed your acknowledgment that the art wasn't illegal, but my point still stands. Oh, and I'm very curious about this site you refuse to name, heh. *shifty*

Edited by - WanWan on 1/27/2004 2:57:25 PM

Insane Steve · « **Reply #2 on:** January 27, 2004, 06:14:32 PM »

" ... it has artwork full of explicit adult/Yoshi themed pics, some are even pornographic!"

Thanks for confirming this! You just won me five bucks! (No, seriously)

Finally, a truly intelligent discussion thread on the forums. I believe that art is however you interpret it. Although the original character of Yoshi is a fairly imaginary sort of character, build-wise... some people see the character as more realistic, perhaps as some would any other imaginary character. I mean, the character Yoshi can be interpreted in MANY ways, as it has no defined form. Some people merely prefer a truly realistic interpretation of the character. If these people prefer their more human-like Yoshi designs, or the hybrid variations, so be it. Everyone has their own tastes, and I feel that these artists are expressing themselves in the way they feel best with. I don't think Yoshi is being abused, except maybe by Mario in SMW... ;)

In fact, if I had the artistic ability to create a decent Yoshi art site, I'd probably make the character considerably more human-wise emotionally, although the actual physical structure of the character would remain relatively unchanged. That is, they'd be hateful of each other and more violent, you know, those things. (Un?)Fortunately for you all, I cannot draw, and you don't have to worry.

That is my stance on this topic. If you excuse me, I'm going to collect my money now.

~I.S.~

jon · « **Reply #3 on:** January 27, 2004, 06:52:42 PM »

Yoshi porn, eh? Now that's weird. What a perverted Yoshi fan.

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Mario likes to dance in his backwards pants! Yay!

Fifth · « **Reply #4 on:** January 28, 2004, 12:30:49 AM »

I don't really have anything against people changing Yoshi through their art, and I really admire the artistic talent and technique that some of those artists use, but I, personally, don't care for them.
To me, Yoshi's non-human characteristics - both physically and personality-wise - is part of what makes him so appealing (I always tend to side with animal characters). When those qualities are taken from him - when he's brought closer to the human realm - so wanes my interest.
So, yeah... humanoid Yoshi pics, etc.: I can respect the talent and technique applied to make them, but I don't care for them; it's just not Yoshi.

Go Moon!

Hope(N Forever) · « **Reply #5 on:** January 28, 2004, 02:48:33 PM »

By the way, although this is less common than Yoshis, the Koopa, especially the 'royal' ones, is also being abused!!

In fact, I know one guy, he's really a great artist, okay? I won't tell you either his name or provide a link or the name to his site...
Some of his exotic and pornographic pics are DEEP HEAT among the seven Koopalings, especially Ludwing!!

I tell ya, this guy knows how to put Ludwing in pretty **** pain and love with a certain original female character, a somewhat Yoshi/Koopa hybrid...

Okay, okay...
I know you're getting all drooly and horny and stuff, the guys here especially...
But you must understand...

WE GOT KIDS IN THESE STUPID FORUMS, AND I'M NOT GIVING OUT ANY LINKS!!

Thank you... ^_^;

I am a pure Super Mario lover!!
...and in no point in the future will he ever be abandonded by me!
I will even drawn the best Super Mario comics ever to exist!!

WanWan · « **Reply #6 on:** January 28, 2004, 06:21:45 PM »

I think you do us a great disservice to assume we want to see this art because we're horny or something, and that everyone who asks for a link is male. Because, you know, it couldn't possibly be because it's the subject we're debating with you. I can understand why you won't link here (I'm pretty sure it's against TOS for one thing) and I'm not encouraging you to do so but I don't see how giving the artist's name out or sending private e-mails hurts anyone. I find the whole "all you horny boys out there want me to link to Koopa Sex but I WON'T because it's wrongful ABUSE of the characters and will corrupt the children" thing mildly offensive. Why mention the websites that way at all?

I still don't see how any of this constitutes "abuse," or what you think should be done about it, if anything. *shrugs*

Edited because even mild British slang can't get around these obscenity filters. Oh, you guys are good. ;)

Edited by - WanWan on 1/28/2004 4:28:01 PM

Insane Steve · « **Reply #7 on:** January 28, 2004, 07:02:02 PM »

"I know you're getting all drooly and horny and stuff, the guys here especially..."

My respect for your posts has just been quartered. This is the THIRD separate instance of "All men are drooling, sex-crazed pigs" I've had to put up with in the last 2 days, and if I hear about this stereotype anymore I'm giong to blow up at someone, maybe even hurt myself in desparation. Nice to see my personality is determined before you even meet me!

Ahem. As such, if your friend wants to draw these images of the Kooplings in this way, that's his choice, ok? Such things are not my bag of crap (Hmmmmm, maybe that wasn't the right idiom...) and I do not look for them. I prefer, like Fifth, the more traditional pictures of the imaginary Mario characters.

Likewise with the more humanistic Yoshi pictures. I've seen a few of them (Not the pornographic ones, don't even insinuate such a thing or you will be verbally lambasted. I am a person, not a stereotype) and the talent behind them is ASTONISHING, although they aren't as interesting to me as, say, the same talent applied to a traditional Yoshi picture. Although I prefer the phyiscal traits to remain the same... I like variations applied to the emotional and personality traits to the Mario characters... I like viewing them in a non-traditional light. For example, I'd be highly interested in a picture of a spiteful orange Yoshi, wishing and plotting revenge on its overrated green counterpart. Those things. Emotional changes.

That is all, until the next time I am stereotyped unjustly.

EDIT: WanWan, you can bypass the filter, although in this instance there is no reason to do so.

~I.S.~

Edited by - Insane Steve on 1/28/2004 5:05:01 PM

Hope(N Forever) · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2004, 03:23:27 PM »

Say, Insane Steve. Did you bet someone five dollars that Yoshi pornography exists?

You really seemed serious on getting a bit more wealthy.

I am a pure Super Mario lover!!
...and in no point in the future will he ever be abandonded by me!
I will even drawn the best Super Mario comics ever to exist!!

Insane Steve · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2004, 10:35:20 PM »

"Say, Insane Steve. Did you bet someone five dollars that Yoshi pornography exists?"

The following transcript is an accurate yet not exact by any means conversation that led to me winning the five dollars. The names of the other people in the conversation have been changed to protect the innocent; I.E., me.

Friend 1: Yes. Can you imagine what the Mario world would be like if it were more.. real?
Friend 2: Yea... I can see it. I mean, there'd be murdering and corruption, and of course, porn.
Friend 1: Heh, yea. Can you imagine Yoshi in pornographic images?
Friend 2: *laughs*
Friend 3: [#1], you are the only one here sick enough to think of such a thing.
Me: Nonsense. I'm sure that if you looked hard enough, you'd find plenty of pornographic pictures of Yoshi on the internet. (DISCLAIMER: I didn't not know if this statement was true, I merely was in my usual, sardonic mood that day. That, and I work under the assumption that you can find ANYTHING on the Internet)
#3: Are you kidding? Firstly, ... [insert speech about why Yoshi can't be in pornographic images here], so it doesn't exist.
Me: It probably does. Not like I know about these things, of course...
[1 2 and 3 laugh]
#2: This sounds like a wager to me.
#3: Fine then, [Steve], if you can find me proof that Yoshi porn exists, I'll give you five dollars.

At this point, I sensed a trap. If I actually FOUND these pictures, these three people would know that I actually looked for this material, so...

And then I found this thread. All I did was print it with a link to the thread written on it and I got the 5 dollars. #3 didn't actually need to (or want to) see any actual pics.

I was a psychic that day -- later, I was discussing crazy Spanish music videos in Spanish class, and I discussed a paticular video to someone, and lo and behold! That was the next video played after I described it. Freaky. Although that didn't win me 5 dollars.

~I.S.~

jon · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2004, 11:43:25 PM »

I don't really care about how others draw Yoshi, whether it's human, or some other race, or something. I just don;t like artists giving Yoshi + characters an attraction by porn.

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Mario likes to dance in his backwards pants! Yay!

Toddathon · « **Reply #11 on:** February 10, 2004, 02:15:56 PM »

Who gives a crap?

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krgr_writer_9 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 10, 2004, 07:12:05 PM »

"One, two, Freddy's comeing for you.
Three, four, better lock your door.
Five, six, grab your crusifix.
Seven, eight, better stay up late.
Nine, ten... never sleep again..." - A Nightmare on Elm Street

"His name is Freddy Krueger... and he loves children, especially little girls. Freddy''s comeing back. Soon he''ll be strong enough. It''s OK to be afraid. We where all afraid. Warn your friends. Warn everyone." - Freddy VS. Jason

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Mr. Wiggles · « **Reply #13 on:** February 10, 2004, 08:38:35 PM »

What does that have to do with anything? oh ,TB there are many things in life better then hockey.Wrestling for example.

Insane steve, Your're really starting to **** me off!(why is the word [censored] censored on this board?).I read y

WORD LIFE
Honor student in Basic Thugonomics
Maddox rules the universe

~Because it's profane, duh. DON'T do that again. (BEWARE PALMOLIVE'S WRATH!!!) ~Sapph

Edited by - Sapphira on 2/12/2004 6:58:09 AM

Insane Steve · « **Reply #14 on:** February 10, 2004, 09:49:08 PM »

Amazing how people can hate me without giving a reason. [implied request]

*sigh* Why did this paticular thread have to be ruined in this way? I mean, there is an actual discussion with a valid point here, and the last two posts were about Freddy and someone who hates me for absolutely no reason. [implied request].

Bah.

~I.S.~