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dżamper

  • You forgot Poland!
« on: November 11, 2007, 04:29:11 AM »
Bad Hitler -> World War -> Poland wins -> Freedom of Poland
No Bad Hitler -> No World War -> No win of Poland -> No freedom of Poland

Thank you Hitler?
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BP

  • Beside Pacific
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2007, 04:49:27 AM »
But our princess is in another castle!
All your dreeeeeeams begiiin to shatterrrrrr~
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ShadowBrain

  • Ridiculously relevant
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2007, 08:30:10 AM »
Do you live in Poland?
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Glorb

  • Banned
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2007, 09:59:32 AM »
Look at it this way:

Time traveler goes back in time to stop Hitler from being born > Time traveler discovers that there was no World War I or II > Silas Warner is not inspired by WWII to make Castle Wolfenstein in 1981 > Because there's no CW, id Software never makes Wolfenstein 3D, the first FPS > Time traveler discovers the present day only has sports and puzzle games > Time traveler goes back in time to stop himself from making the time machine > Because the time machine does not exist, the time traveler could not go back in time to prevent himself from making the time machine with which to go back in time to prevent himself from making the time machine with which to go back in time... > the universe explodes
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N64 Chick

  • one ticked chick
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2007, 10:28:40 AM »
I've never liked the concept of time travel...
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dżamper

  • You forgot Poland!
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2007, 10:34:09 AM »
Quote from: ShadowBrain on November 11, 2007, 08:30:10 AM
Do you live in Poland?
Yes
Quote from: Glorb on November 11, 2007, 09:59:32 AM
Look at it this way:

Time traveler goes back in time to stop Hitler from being born > Time traveler discovers that there was no World War I or II > Silas Warner is not inspired by WWII to make Castle Wolfenstein in 1981 > Because there's no CW, id Software never makes Wolfenstein 3D, the first FPS > Time traveler discovers the present day only has sports and puzzle games > Time traveler goes back in time to stop himself from making the time machine > Because the time machine does not exist, the time traveler could not go back in time to prevent himself from making the time machine with which to go back in time to prevent himself from making the time machine with which to go back in time... > the universe explodes
It's like killing your grandpa before he make your dad...
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Luigison

  • Old Person™
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2007, 10:43:06 AM »
It is possible that Poland would have become free even if there was no Hitler.

On another note, I just had my IP address blocked from editing Wikipedia. 
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WarpRattler

  • Paid by the word
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2007, 10:49:58 AM »
No Wolfenstein 3D also means no Commander Keen, because the main character is BJ's grandson...but no Castle Wolfenstein certainly doesn't mean no FPS with the Wolfenstein 3D engine but a different name.

dżamper

  • You forgot Poland!
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2007, 11:47:59 AM »
Quote from: Luigison on November 11, 2007, 10:43:06 AM
It is possible that Poland would have become free even if there was no Hitler.
Quote from: Toad from Super Mario Advance
I think so!
But not in 1918 :)
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MEGAߥTE

  • In flames
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2007, 12:21:55 PM »
What now?  1918 was the end of World War I, not World War II in which Hitler was involved.

PaperLuigi

« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2007, 12:43:02 PM »
Hitler killed 6,000,000 Jews and you think it was okay because his existence gave Poland freedom?
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Ambulance Y

  • raewrednu
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2007, 01:01:45 PM »
I don't think anyone said what he did was okay.
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PaperLuigi

« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2007, 01:06:55 PM »
What I meant to say was, we should thank him for starting the war and giving Poland it's freedom, and ignore the fact that he did other things (such as killing off 6,000,000 Jews) other than lose the war to Poland.
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Lizard Dude

« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2007, 01:42:03 PM »
Quote from: Luigison on November 11, 2007, 10:43:06 AM
On another note, I just had my IP address blocked from editing Wikipedia. 
For what offense?

Quote from: WarpRattler on November 11, 2007, 10:49:58 AM
No Wolfenstein 3D also means no Commander Keen, because the main character is BJ's grandson...
I'm pretty sure that was something they threw in for fun after the fact, not the reason for creating Commander Keen. But from a Mariology-type perspective, totally.

WarpRattler

  • Paid by the word
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2007, 02:29:30 PM »
Yeah, -ology-wise, the character himself wouldn't exist. That's what I meant. The game would probably still exist with the same main character, but not with the relation to an earlier game (unless for some reason BJ was the main character of the aforementioned game using the W3D engine).
« Last Edit: November 11, 2007, 02:32:35 PM by WarpRattler »

Luigison

  • Old Person™
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2007, 02:46:12 PM »
Quote from: Lizard Dude on November 11, 2007, 01:42:03 PM
For what offense?
I guess someone else with my IP did something.  I've never even edited Wiki.
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dżamper

  • You forgot Poland!
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2007, 03:49:17 PM »
Quote from: MEGAߥTE on November 11, 2007, 12:21:55 PM
What now?  1918 was the end of World War I, not World War II in which Hitler was involved.
Yep, but he have small effect on it.
Quote from: PaperLuigi on November 11, 2007, 12:43:02 PM
Hitler killed 6,000,000 Jews and you think it was okay because his existence gave Poland freedom?
Nobody says that's ok...
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Sqrt2

  • 1.41421356
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2007, 08:03:44 AM »
Quote from: Glorb on November 11, 2007, 09:59:32 AM
Look at it this way:

Time traveler goes back in time to stop Hitler from being born > Time traveler discovers that there was no World War I or II

World War I would have happened regardless of Hitler being born or not. Hitler served in WWI as a corporal in the German Army (and nearly got killed by an artillery shell).

As for Poland being a free country because of Hitler, Poland was ALREADY a free country BEFORE it was invaded in 1939 (having being created after WWI ended, in the Treaty of Versailles)!
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PaperLuigi

« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2007, 05:41:24 PM »
Hitler was a horrible person, and the world would have been better off without him. Thanking him for the war just because the war itself inadvertently helped the US economy and "gave" Poland it's freedom would be like bashing Mother Teresa for her humanitarian works.
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Glorb

  • Banned
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2007, 06:36:29 PM »
Well, not really. I agree, it is a completely ridiculous thing to actually thank Hitler for Poland's freedom (especially Hitler's existance was not the only factor). However, it is an interesting thing to think about sometimes; bad things leading to good, and vice versa.
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Mr. Melee

  • DUUUUDES!!!
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2007, 06:38:26 PM »
Quote from: Sqrt2 on November 12, 2007, 08:03:44 AM
As for Poland being a free country because of Hitler, Poland was ALREADY a free country BEFORE it was invaded in 1939 (having being created after WWI ended, in the Treaty of Versailles)!

Quoted for truth. Poland was already free before WWII, man.
And you're not alone. I'm Polish, too, man :D. I always try to eat punschki (I highly doubt I spelled it right, seeing as you pronounce every syllable in polski) whenever they're around.
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PaperLuigi

« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2007, 06:40:09 PM »
Quote from: Glorb on November 12, 2007, 06:36:29 PM
However, it is an interesting thing to think about sometimes; bad things leading to good, and vice versa.

.....I never said it wasn't interesting to think about.
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Me: Why?

dżamper

  • You forgot Poland!
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2007, 08:37:53 AM »
Ok, so it would be William II paradox...
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Chupperson Weird

  • Not interested.
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2007, 10:10:39 AM »
How would it ever be a paradox?
That was a joke.

dżamper

  • You forgot Poland!
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2007, 10:44:36 AM »
Because we must thank him for making brutal war...
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superstarMASIAH

« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2007, 06:16:51 PM »
Oh... So the sacrafice of thousands of jews shouldn't be tampered with for the sake of a mere video game.  To be honest as possible I would change nothing, because the altering of our past could have terrible or even worse consiquences in our future.
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dżamper

  • You forgot Poland!
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2007, 07:55:11 AM »
Like in "Back to the Future III"
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Boo Dudley

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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2007, 08:26:40 AM »
Every cloud has a silver lining. Though the holocaust isn't something to take lightly, and in all honesty, SHOULDN'T have happened. The holocaust lead to the discovery of the connection between smoking and lung cancer, and the cause of hypothermia. At the expense of the Gestapo's guinea pigs(Jews), of course. Crap happens, I'm sorry to say, history can be brutal, unpleasant and downright nightmarish, but you can't go around and say "if given the chance, I'd stop Hitler". That's foolish rhetoric.

nensondubois

« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2008, 11:34:08 AM »
Did you know that the Bush family has ties to Nazism? I'll bet you didn't.
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NintendoExpert89

« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2008, 11:40:44 AM »
...that has nothing to do with the Hitler paradox.

Glorb

  • Banned
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2008, 04:10:17 PM »
I thought the Bush family were Reptilicons from the Planet Romuloid XIII. Or that they ate babies. Or both.
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CrossEyed7

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« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2008, 04:11:26 PM »
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PaperLuigi

« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2008, 02:38:53 PM »
Quote from: nensondubois on September 21, 2008, 11:34:08 AM
Did you know that the Bush family has ties to Nazism? I'll bet you didn't.

Did you know that you've bumped several year old topics since this subforum was created? I'll be you didn't.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2008, 02:40:52 PM by PaperLuigi »
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