Seriously I have no idea what these groups are for or about, I admit that I hear them all the time, but as for their foundations, I know nothing. So I just go with what I believe is right, wether it is considered Libertarian, Statist, or Centrist. And I refuse to be catagorized in such ways, the only catagorization that I might consider being catagorized in is the Free Thinkers catagory.