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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: July 14, 2010, 01:24:28 AM »

Hey, looks good !

... Too bad SMG2 annihilated it. Also your map would mean the Mushroom World (that's the planet's official US name, although in the JAP version it was only referring to the collection of kingdoms in SMB3, while the planet as a whole is called Earth) is smaller than our planet, which is quite wrong as it appears around twice bigger.
Here's the world map as seen in SMG2 (red zone = the other map below, purple zone = Grass Land, pink zone = where SMB happened) (the deserts are seen in the beta version):


Map 2 (the Mushroom Kingdom and surrouding places) (I couldn't get everything due to a problem. To the west are the rest of the SMRPG map, but also Dinosaur Land and Yoster Island):


Sorry for any complicated thing, error, typo, stuff you don't understand or whatever. Now Il'l go to bed because I'm delirious due to a lack of sleeping.

EDIT: M&L2's Star Hill is located too far to be on the second map. It must be at the very north of the continent.

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: May 23, 2010, 03:45:54 PM »

This debate is kind of pointless. Mario's world is made so that everyone use its own imagination. That's why Nintendo never said if there was a timeline or not, which games are in the continuity (if there's a continuity, at least), the age of the characters...

Anyway, here are the planets of Mario's solar system, and their orbit:
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3240/ssolar.png
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1855/solarsystem.png

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: May 22, 2010, 07:45:58 PM »

ANYTHING THAT WASN'T MADE BY NINTENDO OF JAPAN AND ITS AFFILIATE COMPANIES SHOULDN'T EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE AND FALL INTO OBLIVION.

Miyamoto didn't knew about the Mario cartoons until someone told him Louis Albano died. The only non-game thing he knew about until then was the Super Mario Bros. movie (that he liked, by the way). Is that enough ?

Nintendo of America isn't the one that makes games (and could even be considered as not being Nintendo). It only makes US websites for the games, and publishes the game in America.
They could have given to DiC the rights to do a Mario cartoon, but that cartoon heavily contradicts many, many Mario games. Super Mario Adventures was a good comic but the characters' personality are too contradictory to the games. Same for everything that isn't a game and wasn't made by Nintendo of Japan or its affiliate companies.




On another note: the solar system (being World 2) shown in Super Mario Galaxy 2 is NOT Mario's solar system. So Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat is still in the same reality, and we know how are the planets of Mario's solar system (as shown in Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat) and what's their orbit (as shown in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door).

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: May 22, 2010, 08:24:31 AM »

Because then you're blatantly ignoring established details for the sake of making it easier to follow.  If you want to just play the games without thinking about the background and story then that's fine, but if you're interested in creating a comprehensive timeline you can't just pick and choose.  I don't like the War in Iraq so I'm just going to pretend it never happened.

I know there's a difference between real life history and a fictional world, but I'm just saying that I find it fun to attempt to analyze a fictional world as if it was real history.  If you don't then that's fine and I don't have to force my ideas down your throat.  But I hope this explains my approach.

Except he's right. It was never ever stated in a official Mario material from Japan that Mario and Luigi had any relation with Earth. It's like if there was a debate "Is Wario Mario's cousin?". He's not his cousin, brother or anything, end of story, even if Nintendo Power - an American magazine - stated it - long ago.

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: May 21, 2010, 07:27:43 PM »

Because I have to wait a month to get the game ?

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: May 21, 2010, 06:15:04 PM »

Excuse me for what I thought before. Mario's (obviously fictional) solar system is not our's.

Also, yeah, no Mario game (not counting the sport, party and puzzle spin-offes, their official websites, and the games Ninteod of Japan doesn't even know about like Mario is Missing) make references to Mario being from Earth. The only Earth reference is when Miyamoto said that he designed Mario Bros. thinking about a New York sewer system, but that doesn't mean it IS that. Only that he designed it while thinking of that.

Also, when someone here will have SMG2 could he/her re-draw on a paper the shape of the continents on Mario's planet (can be seen from the World selection and the Galaxy selection of World 1) and scan it, please ?

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Mario Chat / Re: Super Mario Galaxy 2

« on: May 20, 2010, 10:11:46 AM »

It's still a pretty big coincidence that a galaxy out in space would have the exact same structure as a painting world.

Who cares about that ? There's no canon. In the world of SMG2, it's never said that SM64 happened. Heck, even SMG2 isn't canon to itself, as the intro shows it's only a storybook. It'd seems that SMG was a storybook too, as the narrator says he'll "tell us another story, that also starts during the star rain" or some crap like that. SMB3 isn't canon to itself either, just like the Paper Mario "trilogy".

Also, if I remember well, the "painting worlds" are supposed to actually exist around the planet, with the paintings, holes and stuff being the portals that lead to those "worlds". This is supported by the fact that if you fall from the last secret course (the one in the sky with red coins, I can't remember its name) you land near Peach's castle.

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: May 20, 2010, 10:07:39 AM »

In a recent gameplay footage, we saw the world map of World 2. Apparently, the more worlds you get through, the farther you get from Mario's planet. World 1 is near Mario's planet, World 2 is near the solar system, World 3 is even farther as you can see the nebula where Mario's solar system is...

And you can see our solar system's last planets. However, because the asteroid belt isn't at the same place as our solar system's, I guess that the only link between our solar system and Mario's is the last planets and other celestial objects. The planets you can clearly see are Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and two dwarf planets.

I can't see Jupiter. Either the Sun grew and Jupiter is (very unlikely) Mario's planet, either it's another solar system but with similar planets.

Here's the video:
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/29418
Go at 02:22 for a view of the solar system from the Starship Mario, and some seconds later the solar system seen from the world map. Also we see Mario's planet from the world map in the first part.

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: May 19, 2010, 07:43:30 PM »

Alright, everyone, I have mind-blowing infos.

- Mario's solar system is our solar system
and
- Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat happens in another reality

World 2 of SMG2 is Mario's solar system (apparently you go more and more far from Mario's planet as worlds go), and you can see the last planets of our solar system. I don't know if I'm happy or disgusted. Also it'd seems that the Sun has grow bigger at the times of Mario games.

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Mario Chat / Re: How would you wrap up the Mario series?

« on: May 17, 2010, 09:34:57 AM »

There is no canon.

Hey, wait a minute ! You don't have the rights to consider "there's no canon" as a fact ! Nintendo never said there was a canon, nor that there was none, so we'll stop right here. Now let's talk about pancakes.

... I like pancakes.
Now let's go back on-topic.

I would like to give a continuity to the Mario series if I had to make the final Mario game, personally.
What would be much, much better would be a New Super Mario All-Stars, containg remakes of SMB, SMB2, SMB3, SMB:TLL, SMW, NSMB and NSMBW in SMG2-like quality. And, on a seperate cartdrige, the same thing for SM64, SMS, SMG and SMG2. And, obviously, the "last Mario game".

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Mario Chat / Re: How would you wrap up the Mario series?

« on: May 16, 2010, 11:12:07 AM »

^
You're right, forget what I said.

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Mario Chat / Re: Bowser's speed Inconsistency ?

« on: May 16, 2010, 11:05:06 AM »

Even if we assume bombs generally are fatally dangerous in Mario's world, I'm sure there can exist more than one type of bomb. I don't think we're supposed to read much into that.
In Super Mario Bros. 3, a Bob-Omb's explosion can kill Mario. In the Mario Kart series, the Bob-Omb explosions are much bigger.

The babies brought the time machine with them.
As I know, the time machine automatically come back to the present time. How do you think it came back at the beginning of the game ? I doubt the Shroob that was inside knew how to use it, either.


Anyway, Bowser's speed (and size, and jump) incosistency doesn't matter, really.

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Mario Chat / Re: Time for Super Mario Bros. 4?

« on: May 16, 2010, 10:41:48 AM »

SNES Super Mario World's controls are much better than NES Super Mario Bros.'s. Or, to say that in another way, NES Super Mario Bros.'s controls always responded a mid-second later.

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Mario Chat / Re: How would you wrap up the Mario series?

« on: May 16, 2010, 09:11:51 AM »

Same for me, Trainman.
By the way, only the RPGs and mainstream Mario games are in the same continuity (this also mean Luigi's Mansion, Super Princess Peach, and Donkey Kong (GB)). Meaning that the Mario Kart series, Mario Party series, Mario vs. Donkey Kong series and other things aren't "canon".

Also, @above poster : only the very first part of World 1-1 is in the intro of SMG2. Then the path continues differently. So this is more a tribute than anything else.

I did a (current) map of the Mushroom Kingdom but I also based it on SMBZ and thus it doesn't count. Not that it matters anyway, as Nintendo will never show us a full map. However, it's confirmed the Mushroom Kingdom is on the north hemisphere of the Mushroom World and, because we'll see the full map of the planet in SMG2, we'll know the Mushroom Kingdom's shape (well, there are obviously many continents on the north hemisphere but it'll be one of those).


On-topic: what Trainman said.

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Mario Chat / Re: Time for Super Mario Bros. 4?

« on: May 16, 2010, 09:00:05 AM »

What makes 8-bit so great ? 16-bit = better quality.
Also,