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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: July 16, 2010, 12:57:39 AM »

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It was made Kamikaze Koopa(the guy who made THIS thread) and the people there are great.. but.. the site needs more "Active" Members, as it only has 6 or 7.  It may not seem like much at first but if more people would join, it could be great again!

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: July 06, 2010, 10:20:45 PM »

Nice map!

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: July 05, 2010, 03:08:48 AM »

Plit came from Lemmy's Land, along with quite a bit of other fanon/fanfic/world-building, like the (now-disproven) idea that Bowser Jr. is Ludwig. Don't know if there's any meaning behind the name.

I call the planet Amana, personally.

Amana?  That actually has a nice ring to it.  In one of your previous post(I think on Page 94) you posted a link to a Map that you made, I tried the link, but a message said it had expired.  The comments you got were positive, so I wanted to see it for myself.  Please send me a Link.

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: July 05, 2010, 01:26:48 AM »

Does anyone know where the Term "Plit" came from?  Also, I'm in the process of making a Map of the Mushroom World and was wondering "Are the 7 Kingdoms from SMB3, surronding the Mushroom Kingdom, or are they just the different Regions of it? (Sort of like how Sarrasaland is divided into 4 "Kingdoms", even though Sarrasaland, in itself, is one Kingdom).

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: July 03, 2010, 02:56:28 PM »

Yoshi's Safari is consistent and acknowledged. Most Mario games fall into that category. The only ones that don't are the edutainment/other titles released for non-Nintendo systems.

Really, the only contradictions that typically happen are so minor there shouldn't be much of a debate on canonocity. Some things even have explanations that people don't even realize exist, such as Partners in Time explaining why Baby Mario can co-exist with his present self, or Bowser's Inside Story explaining how Bowser can change size at the drop of a hat.

Perhaps the only really major continuity screw-up in the Marioverse is Yoshi's Island DS. which throws out any previously established notion of how old the characters are (Peach and DK in particular) and adds in that stupid "Star Child" backstory. Fine example of why they've typically avoided giving the characters elaborate backstories in previous games.

I knew about the timehole thing, but this was the first I've heard someone use Bowser's Inside Story as an explanation for Bowser's size incosistency(I guess we can't call it that anymore).  I think we can all agree that the edutainments are best left out,  but I still question the Party games(Did they really happen?  Do they have alternate continuity?  Is there a special Party dimmension, etc?).  Aside from that, I think that most Mario games(And admittedly, Yoshi's Safari) contribute to that continuity.  And I agree with the Yoshi's Island DS part.  Heres an idea about a New Topic: Why are Bowser and his minions(Bowser Jr, King Boo, Petey Pirhana, etc.) allowed to compete in the Mushroom Kingdom's annual sporting events?

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: July 02, 2010, 07:49:06 PM »

I am aware that there is no "official" Mario canon, nor is there an "official" Zelda canon, but that does'nt stop fans from speculating what they THINK is canon.  I know the series has continuity which is why I speculate the possible canonocity of it's games.  When I am deciding whether or not I believe a spin-off is canon, I base my opinion on two things: 1) Does it contradict the Main Series?  And 2) Is it recognized as "official" by Nintendo?  One example being Super Mario RPG, does it contradict the Main Series(the different map is not a contradiction, just an inconsistency)?  No.  Is it recognized as "official" by Nintendo(of Japan)?  Yes.  Now lets apply the same thing to the Super Show, does it contadict the Main Series?  Yes(the Games clearly depict the Bros. being born in TMK).  Is it considered "official" by Nintendo? While it was considered "official" Mario media by NOA, it was never recognized in ANY way by the parent Company(in Japan).  Even now NOA shows no sighns of recognition towards the series.  Based on these questions I can assume that SMRPG is "canon", and that the Super Show is not.  After applying these to Yoshi's Safari, it seems apppropiate for me to add them to MY "canon", but I am still a little on the edge about it.

But before people start using the "There is NO Mario Canon" line against me, I know that there is no "Official" canon, but we as fans are free to speculate, and the criteria in my above post is what I base those speculations on.

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: July 02, 2010, 07:38:08 PM »

Mario doesn't have an official canon. Unless Nintendo comes out and says "these games never happened", the terms "canon" and "non-canon" can't really be applied to Mario.The only thing I'm pretty sure Nintendo no longer acknowledges are the edutainment games Weegee just mentioned.

However, Mario DOES have continuity. If he didn't, we wouldn't see recurring elements nor would there be the occasional acknowledgement of past events. Yoshi's Safari IS in continuity with the rest of the series because it features Mario and Yoshi being called over to another kingdom to fight the Koopalings again. What's there to indicate otherwise?

I am aware that there is no "official" Mario canon, nor is there an "official" Zelda canon, but that does'nt stop fans from speculating what they THINK is canon.  I know the series has continuity which is why I speculate the possible canonocity of it's games.  When I am deciding whether or not I believe a spin-off is canon, I base my opinion on two things: 1) Does it contradict the Main Series?  And 2) Is it recognized as "official" by Nintendo?  One example being Super Mario RPG, does it contradict the Main Series(the different map is not a contradiction, just an inconsistency)?  No.  Is it recognized as "official" by Nintendo(of Japan)?  Yes.  Now lets apply the same thing to the Super Show, does it contadict the Main Series?  Yes(the Games clearly depict the Bros. being born in TMK).  Is it considered "official" by Nintendo? While it was considered "official" Mario media by NOA, it was never recognized in ANY way by the parent Company(in Japan).  Even now NOA shows no sighns of recognition towards the series.  Based on these questions I can assume that SMRPG is "canon", and that the Super Show is not.  After applying these to Yoshi's Safari, it seems apppropiate for me to add them to MY "canon", but I am still a little on the edge about it.

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: July 01, 2010, 10:02:24 PM »

I don't mean to change topics but I was wondering, how many people consider Yoshi's Safari to be canon?  I don't because it was really only created to promote the Super Scope, and I don't think it was meant to contribute to the series continuity, asuming, of course, that there is one(which I believe there is).

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: July 01, 2010, 09:55:20 PM »

Hmm...except Mario isn't the only one who can use Starmen. Pretty much anyone who's been playable in a game that features Starmen (and there's a LOT) have been able to use them.

I'm going with Weegee's idea about Starmen and Power Stars being the same thing.

I think the original idea was that they where the same thing, but Nintendo probably changed Starman to Rainbow Stars to avoid confusion.

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: June 29, 2010, 06:37:36 PM »

Geno was talking about the Star Road when he said "higher authority". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the Mushroom World's theology is based entirely around stars, be they Star Spirits, Star Kids, Star Sprites or the Lumas. Hell, Super Mario Galaxy opens on the eve of a holiday where they celebrate the passing of the Comet Observatory.

I know that, I just wanted to delve a little deeper into it!  Do you really have to be so negative towards my ideas?  I mean, I just want to delve deeper into a subject that isn't discussed in-depth in the games, isn't that what this Thread is about?  No, I'm not trying to start an argument with you, I actually agree with many of your post on this Thread, I just wanted to contribute something to the discussion!

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: June 29, 2010, 01:21:03 PM »

I would agree with you there. I mean, really, Mario always winning over Bowser because the people wishes for that to happen. I wonder what Bowser would do if he finds out about this.

Perhaps, for them, Wishes work sort of like Prayers.  I mean not every wish is always granted, right?  Just, was that "Higher Authority" that Geno mentioned the Star Spirits, or something else?  I always thought that the Star Spirits were sort of like Angelic Beings, and perhaps they have some limits on their Powers, too!  I know I'm thinking too much into this, but thats what makes it Fun!

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: June 29, 2010, 03:22:13 AM »

The Star Spirits have nothing to do with galaxy creation. They only grant wishes. They wouldn't be able to stop Bowser unless the people of the Mushroom World wished for it.

And if they did, they got their wish because Mario was miraculously not killed by Kamek's attack at the beginning of SMG. Instead he met up with Rosalina and the Lumas and the rest is history.

This brings to mind something else. Does Mario always come out on top because everybody wishes for it? Does everything in the Mushroom World happen because of people's wishes?

I didn't say they created the Mario Universe, I'm just curious as to the possible Theology denizens of his World have! Assuming, of course, that they have Religious beliefs.  Thoughts? 

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: June 28, 2010, 10:17:15 PM »

S'ok. I just thought it would be funny to say.

Here's a thought: Why didn't the Star Spirits attempt to stop Bowser? Does the power of the Star Rod not stand against the power of creation?

I find it interesting that you chose the word "Creation"!  It got me thinking about how in SMRPG, Geno talks about a "Higher Authority", which made think about the Mushroom Kingdom/World's religion.  Any thoughts?

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: June 28, 2010, 09:34:32 PM »

S'ok. I just thought it would be funny to say.

Here's a thought: Why didn't the Star Spirits attempt to stop Bowser? Does the power of the Star Rod not stand against the power of creation?

I actually just started playing through Paper Mario on VC yesterday, and was wondering the exact same thing!

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Mario Chat / Re: Mariology (serious posts wanted)

« on: June 26, 2010, 06:31:03 PM »

He could, but Gyllynn up there seems to think that means Bowser created the Galaxies and not Rosalina....for some reason.

I'm not saying he created every Galaxy but I think that some of them are from the Mushroom World, but I do think he made some.  Besides the name of the final Galaxy(excluding World S) is Bowser's Galaxy Generator, I assume he uses it to, oh, I don't know, make Galaxies!

They were. I doubt any of them save for the ones that specifically belong to Bowser were created by Rosalina.

As for Yoshi, he's still just one member of a species. The one in SMG2 is most likely not the same Yoshi that's seen hanging around Mario in various other games.

I disagree, the Yoshi acts as though he is already familiar with Mario.

Well, Bowser had phenominal cosmic power, so his creation of his own galaxy could have offset the creation of the other galaxies.

Which is exactly what I've been saying in my post, perhaps I worded it strangely.  My apologies!  I don't think that Bowser created the Galaxies(Save for ones like Fleet Glide,  Space Storm, and the Boss Galaxy's).  I just don't think that the Galaxies were always the way they appeared in the Game, and that some were once apart of a greater whole(And that they were restored to normal after Bowser's defeat)!