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Turtlekid1

  • Tortuga
« on: July 06, 2011, 07:42:22 PM »
So there you are on a lazy afternoon, sitting bored.  Hey, here's an idea!  You can go play that one video game that you haven't played in a while!  Except... what about that one escort mission or gimmick level that you always hated?  Man, you would have to do that part again if you replayed the game.

I'm sure most folks here know what I'm talking about.  These are the parts in video games which are not only not up to the standards of the rest of the game they're in, but which can single-handedly eliminate all desire to replay a game when one considers them, even when the rest of the game is superb.  This thread is dedicated to those.  Sort of an anti-"Games You Think Are Perfect," I guess.

One of the examples that comes most readily to mind for me is the Ice Cave segment of Uncharted 2, which consists of a bunch of slow-paced platforming and puzzles without much action to break it up.  The one fight that does happen here is semi-scripted and not at all similar to or as fun as the gunfights in other parts of the game.

Another game with a couple of these moments is Spyro 2 - particularly the "popcorn" game in Magma Cone, the "Guide the Alchemist" mission in Fracture Hills, riding the Trolley in Breeze Harbor, and the Lava Lizards challenges in Skelos Badlands - all of these require you to have extremely quick (as in, faster than even many difficult games require) reflexes and/or employ trial and error and memorization to win.

The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker's Earth and Wind Temples are some of the most tedious dungeons I've ever had to trudge through.  In comparison, sailing around and looking for the Triforce shards is positively relaxing - at least there's good music and a bright blue sky to keep you company.

I'm sure you guys can think of some others.  Post 'em here. 

Or just keep it to yourself and leave this thread hanging awkwardly without a single reply, that works too
« Last Edit: July 23, 2012, 11:48:10 AM by Turtlekid1 »
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ShadowBrain

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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2011, 09:10:39 PM »
Hey, good topic! Well, seeing as my PS3 was recently wiped, I'll start with games from that. Of course, if I played a game all the way through again, then it wouldn't really matter whether I had any original data, but... nevermind. Here's what I can think of:

Batman: Arkham Asylum: There were one or two stealth segments that frustrated me... though I guess that was in their nature.

BioShock: Blame it on my impatient berserker attitude in action games, but I got pretty sick of dying two or three times every time I tried to take down a Big Daddy. In other words, I was one of those people that was very glad respawns worked the way they did (although yeah, I guess it is a little cheap). Oh, and I suppose the hacking minigames got a little old, but I wasn't that averse to them.

Dante's Inferno: The Circle of Fraud certainly lived up to its name--ten meta-levels of Challenge Mode rejects in a game already replete with GoW-esque excessive combat.

Mirror's Edge: Anytime there's a gun on-screen, I guess.

Psychonauts: Take a guess.

Also, while I'm thinking of it:

Metroid Prime: As I mentioned before, I had a hell of a time dealing with the Omega Pirate--and, as someone else mentioned, those friggin' Chozo Ghosts. Still, maybe I'll have improved since then. Also, despite how much I loved the graphics/aesthetics/gameplay itself, the insane difficulty and weak plot of MP2 basically make me want to not play it again, period.

For the most part, though, depending on how long it's been or why I'm playing a game again, just having to sit through (interactive) cutscenes and unskippable tutorials can be enough of an impediment.
"Mario is your oyster." ~The Chef

Kuromatsu

  • 黒松
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2011, 09:16:22 PM »
I know for sure my Wiiware Cave Story Hard Mode run (essentially a three heart run with no missiles) fell flat on its face once I reached The Core but that's probably not what you're talking about.

« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2011, 10:06:10 PM »
Generally speaking, anything that feels tacked on (such as the aforementioned Triforce pieces in WW or the Chozo Ghosts in MP) are also things that make me reconsider doing a run of a game.


Having said that, it usually doesn't stop me (or deter me too much) as I love playing games. :)


Speaking of data being erased: I recently (and very stupidly) decided to transfer all of my game data from the Wii to the SD card. And I started by deleting those that I knew were on the SD card already and just completely starting again (starting again being just transferring it all, or so I thought).

Somehow, in the process of doing that, I erased the progress of several of my VC games. Some of the ones that weren't erased reverted back to a previous save file, and I'm pretty sure I lost any/all.. Wii saves (like, when you hit the Home menu during an Nes/Snes game and can save it like that..)
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2011, 10:26:55 PM »
I have this problem with most Zelda games due to the fact that I almost never remember what I'm supposed to do when I get back into it.

The only game I'm playing enough to keep up with right now is "Link's Awakening Deluxe" thanks to the 3DS Virtual Console. I got a little lost a couple of times, but most of it was just my inability to think critically about whatever situation I was in.
I'm a horrible person.

« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 10:31:43 PM »
Most water-themed dungeons in the LoZ series can be classified as "run killers", really. Forced stealth segments in any game also tend to be obtrusive to the flow.

Chapter Three of Dragon Quest IV follows a travelling merchant's quest to open his own business. It boils down to several hours of carting goods between kingdoms while fending off pathetically weak enemies. Poor Torneko.

The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker's Earth and Wind Temples are some of the most tedious dungeons I've ever had to trudge through.  In comparison, sailing around and looking for the Triforce shards is positively relaxing - at least there's good music and a bright blue sky to keep you company.

Huh. I saw those Temples as welcome relief from Wind Waker's seemingly endless seafaring quests. Conversely, collecting those Triforce shards was such a stomach-churningly laborious undertaking that I've only bothered to salvage them all two or three times.

Somehow, in the process of doing that, I erased the progress of several of my VC games. Some of the ones that weren't erased reverted back to a previous save file, and I'm pretty sure I lost any/all.. Wii saves (like, when you hit the Home menu during an Nes/Snes game and can save it like that..)

That sucks, man.
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2011, 10:55:55 PM »
Conversely, collecting those Triforce shards was such a stomach-churningly laborious undertaking that I've only bothered to salvage them all two or three times.
This sentence reads like a joke. I'm scared it wasn't meant that way though.

The first thing this thread made me think of is stage 5 of Gitaroo Man. Every other level is pure rhythm game love and joy but the Ben-K battle is an endless boring reggae with gameplay focusing almost solely on moving through extremely long notes. If you mess up on one, you're going to be sitting there for the next 10 seconds doing nothing. The one low point in a god-tier game.

WarpRattler

  • Paid by the word
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2011, 12:15:14 AM »
The fear that I'll find my save data wiped yet again post-firmware update has prevented me from playing DJ Max Portable 3 for some time now.

I'm going to throw a brick through the window of any Vita developer who ties saves to hardware.

« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2011, 01:10:44 AM »
This is sort of different, but right now I'm in a constant loop of "I should give this game another shot!" and then "...........nope" for playing Dead Rising.

I think the reason I find that game so difficult to play is because I don't understand it. Are you supposed to kill zombies? Or just take pictures of them? Or kill them and then take pictures of them? Then what's the point of the missions? And why the bleep are the missions so far away, and you try to shoot the guy running around the rafters but you can't kill him so you just die and restart at the other end of the mall again?

All of that goes through my brain, leading to .......nope

BP

  • Beside Pacific
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2011, 02:06:26 AM »
Picture-taking, zombie-killing and survivor-rescuing are all just ways to level Franky up so you can survive the story. You're supposed to do anything you god[darn] want to, any way you god[darn] want to, and that's why it's fun. Kinda like BioShock.

As for beating Carlito the first time, you should slap him with a King Salmon. You can grab one in the pond on your way to the food court, climb the crates and walk on the roof-like structures to get to him, wait for him to stop shooting, don't get so close that he attacks, and SMACK! Defeated. Not kidding. Mannequin Torsos are also effective.


I can't really think of any game I plan on ever replaying/have ever replayed that has parts like this.
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2011, 12:21:43 PM »
This sentence reads like a joke. I'm scared it wasn't meant that way though.

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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2011, 12:31:31 PM »
The first thing that came to mind was the escort/hacking mission towards the end of the original Goldeneye 007.  Natalya is a bullet magnet, and needs to use computers faster.  It's been ages since I've played this, but I remember it being mind-warpingly hard and a pain in the ass.

I can't believe Metroid Prime was mentioned, but not the lame fetch-quests tacked on at the end.  I never thought of the Chozo Ghosts as unfun or tacked on, but collecting the artifacts in 1 and the keys in 2 struck me as pretty lame.  Definitely on par with Wind Waker's fetch-quest.

I don't know why, but the airboat stuff in Half-Life 2 stopped me dead in a run.  It's not terrible or anything... just not as cool as the rest of the game, I guess. 
Haters gonna hate

ShadowBrain

  • Ridiculously relevant
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2011, 02:21:42 PM »
Oh, yeah, the hovercraft sections in that were retarded.
"Mario is your oyster." ~The Chef

« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2011, 02:40:37 PM »
Escorting the Princess through the desert in the first M&L game is annoying. It's never been enough to stop me from playing through the game, but it is kinda annoying. "I'll just take out a couple of enemies here, jump on the mounds and- GAAAHH"

I haven't played any other MP game except the first one, but I recall finding Artifacts as I played the game and by the time I reached the end of the game (or reasonably close) I usually had most of them..
Kinopio is the ultimate video game character! Who else can drive a kart, host parties, play tennis, give good advice and items, and is almost always happy??

TEM

  • THE SOVIET'S MOST DANGEROUS PUZZLE.
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2011, 03:49:47 PM »
Oh, yeah, the hovercraft sections in that were retarded.
Fanboat, herptard, and those parts were fun.
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BP

  • Beside Pacific
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2011, 04:07:55 PM »
Haha, my first try, I ditched my boat to avoid burning to death and tried to continue on foot. That was not successful.

On a related note, I really love Highway 17.
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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2011, 03:58:09 AM »
[Dead Rising]
The key to success and enjoyment in Dead Rising is DO NOT RELOAD from restroom saves. If you fail a story mission, the game keeps going. Just do other stuff. When you die, restart and keep your stats. Eventually through this repetition you will be leveled up enough in the game and leveled up enough in RL to pwn. Dead Rising is a Majora's Mask and only through death can you live.

BP

  • Beside Pacific
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2011, 04:25:28 AM »
I still learn something about the game pretty much every time I play. Even I, who have ALL DA 'CHIEVEMENTZZ, find something new every time I play the game. Screw side quests and 100% completion, Dead Rising has true replay value.
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Turtlekid1

  • Tortuga
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2011, 09:41:26 AM »
Everything after the battle with Mother Brain in Metroid: Zero Mission.
"It'll say life is sacred and so is death
but death is life and so we move on"

« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2011, 08:43:13 PM »
I know this isn't a game, but the new Forum layout has taken down my drive to check the Forum.

(what happened to the spoiler option..? Anyway) It's just because it's a new thing. I'll get used to it eventually.
Kinopio is the ultimate video game character! Who else can drive a kart, host parties, play tennis, give good advice and items, and is almost always happy??

WarpRattler

  • Paid by the word
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2011, 11:28:26 AM »
I still can't launch my legit copy of BioShock due to the game having crappy SecuROM DRM and me not having a working DVD-ROM drive.

The idea that I'd have to spend at least $10 (to buy a used copy of the 360 version) to replay a game I already bought kills the urge to replay it before it even comes up.

« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2011, 03:05:40 PM »
The saving system in Portal. I'm at the fight against GLaDOS, but I haven't fried Curiosity yet, there is only 2:3X.XX left, and I saved in the middle of the battle. Now I can't do anything about my near-halved time and if I die I'll just start over at that point where I rage quit and decided to look at the commentary.

TEM

  • THE SOVIET'S MOST DANGEROUS PUZZLE.
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2011, 05:22:54 PM »
N00b symptoms:

1. Can't beat the boss fight in less than 2:30 minutes, even with it half way over.

2a. Playing on a console version with nerfed save system (is that how it is???) that can't be easily reloaded at an earlier chapter or 2b. Complaining about having to play 15 minutes of the game to get back to the beginning of the boss fight.

3. It's 2011.

4. Somehow knows the name of a personality core, clearly has consulted a strategy guide.

N00b diagnosis: N00b

N00b prescription: Get some butt cream for that butt.

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BP

  • Beside Pacific
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2011, 06:10:30 PM »
2a. console version with nerfed save system (is that how it is???) that can't be easily reloaded at an earlier chapter

In 360 Orange Box you can save whenever you want. It auto-saves too but sometimes it seems like more than one auto save is hangin' around.

You can start a new game from any chapter you've cleared in the Half-Life 2s and likewise Portal is divided up into reasonable parts. Early test chambers are grouped together but I seem to remember the post-test-chamber leg of the game being divided up into multiple parts. At worst, starting a new game from the last unlocked chapter might set you as far back as those rooms with all the steel beams. MAYBE. Pretty sure, though, that it unlocks the last chapter you REACHED, not CLEARED, so you might start from as close to the end as... the introduction of the missile launcher?
All your dreeeeeeams begiiin to shatterrrrrr~
It's YOUR problem!

« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2011, 07:01:49 PM »
N00b symptoms:

1. Can't beat the boss fight in less than 2:30 minutes, even with it half way over.

2a. Playing on a console version with nerfed save system (is that how it is???) that can't be easily reloaded at an earlier chapter or 2b. Complaining about having to play 15 minutes of the game to get back to the beginning of the boss fight.

3. It's 2011.

4. Somehow knows the name of a personality core, clearly has consulted a strategy guide.

N00b diagnosis: N00b

N00b prescription: Get some butt cream for that butt.


1. I can get to incenerating the blue one, but not Rage
2a. Actually, I'm playing on PC
2b. I lost.
3. ...
4. I used THE GREAT POWERS OF SPOILERS ON TEH INTERNETS</ominousvoice>

There, I am not a N00b, but a noob

« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2011, 08:50:33 PM »
I'm with TEM. You can't beat it in 2:30 when already partially done and reading walkthroughs? You're a to'al n00b, lol. How did you even get to GLaDOS in the first place?


ShadowBrain

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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2011, 09:34:32 PM »
I keep dying on that part in the beginning of Half-Life Episode 1 where all that crap is falling on you in the elevator. No, I don't know why I am having such a problem with this.

Also, I made the odd decision to start replaying Darksiders on Apocalyptic, and The Griever made me want to watch Equilibrium on TV instead.
"Mario is your oyster." ~The Chef

« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2011, 09:43:20 PM »
I'm with TEM. You can't beat it in 2:30 when already partially done and reading walkthroughs? You're a to'al n00b, lol. How did you even get to GLaDOS in the first place?


I got through the game myself, I could beat it maybe if the incenerator stayed open longer, this is my first playthrough, Wikis.

« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2011, 09:56:39 PM »

WarpRattler

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« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2012, 11:05:58 PM »
Not quite the same thing as this thread, since it was my first run through rather than replaying it, but Catherine on hard mode was such a tedious, uninteresting, memorization-heavy ordeal (with no real consequences for failure) that I ended up having to restart the game and play on the normal difficulty, which mainly involves sight-reading the maps, to actually enjoy it.

As I mentioned to LD recently, I'd love to replay Brütal Legend, but since it's got a large amount of collectibles scattered around the game world, I don't want to start a new game. Fortunately, the solution to this is really just "finish finding those collectibles," but that'll take forever.

Also, since I don't have a working PSP anymore, the idea of playing Persona 3 via either of the PS2 versions kills itself as soon as I realize I'd have to deal with the original combat system (in which you have no control over most of your party, and your party members tend to do really dumb things, like using weak healing items instead of their late-game healing spells) instead of the Persona 4 combat system (in which you can take control over all party members' actions).

« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2012, 08:41:42 AM »
Super Monkey Ball
Super Monkey Ball 2

They really make me not want to finish Expert, but that's why they're awesome games. I think I liked the first game a little better than 2.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2012, 08:43:34 AM by Qwerty »
Unwillingly, but successfully! Twice!

« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2012, 04:01:45 PM »
I got through the game myself, I could beat it maybe if the incenerator stayed open longer, this is my first playthrough, Wikis.
hint: use portals

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