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Black Mage

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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2003, 05:36:49 AM »
 I won't tell you how to feel, however, now that they're gone, they're unable to atone for their acts here. Does that seem fair?

 It is true that they can no longer hurt people, and to you, they may have even deserved it, yet now, they can no longer help people either. And what about their parents? Now they must suffer the death of their child. What wrong had they done?

  All that I know, is that we can't judge them to decide whether or not they should have died, but all we can do is wish them best of luck and put aside any anger or hate we had for them. I would hope we can agree on at least this much.

Edited by - Sapphira on 2/23/2005 6:30:40 PM

« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2003, 04:21:42 PM »
>_< WHY do I always have to explain every detail on this board when ever what I say is contraversial? I never said I didnt feel for their families. Listen, I can even use my story for an example, HAD I been goin 90 up and over that hill, I NEVER would have been around to tell of it. Anybody whos been to drivers ed, and seen Red Asphalt, knows better. These guys new better, they broke the law, and paid for their stupidity with their lives! I could even tell of the sick "Joke" as they called it that they played on my GF. We all get what we deserve in the end, we only have to hope that its good. Hey,that insight maybe can be my new sig...There that hopefully drops that subject. Any way, back to the subject...FUNNY drivers ed stories. I forgot to say that before his untimly death, Joe was my original partner (Kenny was my Gfs original partner). While he may have been an SOB to study with, I actually was sorry for his death, I just think he got into the wrong crowd.. dang there I go off the subject again, but anyway... One time Scott was explaing to us how to make a lane change in traffic. The way the town we were in is laid out, theres solid white lines through the town, until theres an intersection, Well Joe is driveing and Scott says," Ok, you never make a lane change in an intersection, or over solid white lines (we had already been over the steps of how to make a lane change earlier) So what does he do? he changes right over a solid white line! Scott pipes up asks him if he was listening to him? Joe says," OH" ,about that time, we were driving through the intersection, so he changes back to the lane he was in, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION! Scott flabbergasted, asks him to "quite thinking about Paige" Paige was a girl in the class that was rumored to be his girl friend... After that both Scott and I brought that up every single time we were in the van....probably why he hated me come to think of it...
O Ya, I almost forgot to mention that about a week after I mised that house (from my last story) I went to the barber to get a hair cut. And what does he say while hes in the middle of cutting my hair? "WOW you have quite a few white hairs for your age" My hair is brownish, redish, so I guess it must have been that near colision...

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Edited by - marionut#1 on 5/19/2003 4:12:21 PM
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Black Mage

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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2003, 04:40:16 PM »
"...There that hopefully drops that subject."

 As you wish.

Sapphira

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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2003, 05:58:17 PM »
Actually, you do have a point, Marionut.
To quote my brother (actually, he said this yesterday in the car while we were talking about another unfortunate incident), "If you get hurt [from being dumb enough to put yourself in a dangerous situation], you probably deserved it."

I clarified in [ ] what he intended.

I mean, you're right. If that kid was dumb enough to drive 90 mph on a public road in traffic, it's no one's fault but his own, and he probably deserved it. (Even though that's terrible, it was his fault.) He just happened to get unlucky. Ya know, they make those laws for a REASON.


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Black Mage

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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2003, 06:13:22 PM »
 Hmm... I hate to go back on my word, but it seems that it cannot be avoided.


"I mean, you're right. If that kid was dumb enough to drive 90 mph on a public road in traffic, it's no one's fault but his own, ..."

 That is true. It is his fault. I agree with you here.

"...and he probably deserved it. (Even though that's terrible, it was his fault.) "

 You see, this is where I have a problem. While it was his fault, that doesn't mean he deserves it.

 Let's say I want to cross the street, yet, there is no cross-walk. So, I "J-walk." If by the off chance I get hit by a car, do I deserve it? I wouldn't say so. Sure, there are Laws against J-walking, yet, even if I choose to break that law, does that mean I deserve to be hammered with the worse imaginable scenario?

 Yes, going 90 miles an hour in an area that isn't suited for it is idiotic, however, I still do not believe he -Deserved- to die.

 We all make mistakes and poor choices, but I don't feel we always deserve to be punished for them.






 

Sapphira

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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2003, 06:38:30 PM »
Oh, no, I didn't mean it to seem that way! Now I sound like a terrible person, or something! No one deserves to die, even if they did make one mistake. It's actually truly tragic.

IMO, the only people who deserve to die are those who commit first-degree murder. Especially multiple times or many people at once. (Yes, I do believe in capital punishment, if the world would be a better and safer place without that person. Especially if they show no change in heart.)

(Wow, this has gone REALLY off-topic.)

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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2003, 06:47:59 PM »
 I have no way to say what I would like to without taking this topic further away from the original discussion, but I will do so.

My intention was not to make anyone seem like a bad person. I apologize for that, as I don't believe either of you to be bad people. I had only wanted to express my feelings on the topic, in a non-supressive way.

 I believe I've said all I wanted on this issue. Sorry for driving this off topic.

« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2003, 07:53:46 PM »
My last words off topic:

Black Mage:
IMO if your not smart enough to look both ways, and watch for cars, then you deserve to get hit. But there are exceptions, like the story below.

Sappira:
I would ad Rapeists to your list. The Bible will back me up in that....

Back on topic

Well, Ill tell ya that I live out in the country, and Im not too much street wise. I tried to be anyway. I brought my bike with me to a friend who lived in the town mentioned in the last story. Well,him, his sister, and myself went for a ride through town. The towns so small, that theres only one busy street, and that is appropriately named Main Street. Well they were ahead of me and they stoped at a corner, Well I looked both ways, didnt see anything but this Semi, which was pretty far away, and I was wondering why they stoped. Well, istead of asking questions, I try and beat this Semi. I get past the 2 lanes going one way, but when I get to the other 2 lanes, out of nowhere comes this black 57' Chevy. I didnt even see it untill I heard the screech of its brakes. Good thing it had good brakes, because it stoped 2 car lenths away from me. Well, stupid me, I get to the other side, give the driver the "Im really sorry" look, and waited for my friends. Me being a very fast thinker , and trying to cover up how stupid/blind I was then tell them, "See I did that just to show you why not to do it" Needless to say I was still razed about how good the brakes were on the car. Ah well, If it would have killed me, I would have died happy. I mean at least I would have been killed by a classic (snicker) x_x

UNG I cant believe I typoed Brakes=breaks!

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Edited by - marionut#1 on 5/19/2003 7:19:13 PM
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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2003, 08:19:23 PM »
 Why would that situation be an exception to your way of thinking? Is it because you were the one in the story? I fail to see how, no, why it is an exception.

 Your opinion differs from my own. That's fine. If you feel people deserve to die because they did something wrong, I won't press my opinions further.

« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2003, 08:25:29 PM »
ug I meant that even though I looked both ways that accidents happen. My point was that even though I tried to avoid it it wasnt acctually my fault because this car came out of nowhere. Besides I had the pupose (just like your anology) as innocent as  crossing the street. Now you tell me for what purpose, would you drive 20 miles over the limit (to clearify Ill ad that your not late, and you left plenty of time to get to your destination as was their case). Ya just as I thought you cant answer. See in this world stupidity has two levels. Level 1 is where it isnt your fault (I mean where all born with faults) and level 2 is where the stupidity is your fault. Need I say anything further?

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Edited by - marionut#1 on 5/19/2003 7:37:40 PM
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Sapphira

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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2003, 08:42:05 PM »
(Going off-topic again.) Okay, if you commit ANY sin --one little lie, cheating, disobeying your parents (*Gulp* the one that gets me most), adultry, murder, etc., it DOESN'T matter. You deserve to die. (The Bible will back ME up on this one, too! Nya! :) Hmm...I think I just listed the last 5 of the 10 Commandments)

However, since EVERYONE does that (duh, human nature!), we can't go killing people and calling it justice! How hypocritical would that be?!  That sort of justice isn't up to us.
(Note: Sorry for giving a theology lesson here. :) )

But some offences SHOULD be dealt with justice, i.e. capital punishment for murder--punishment fits the crime. Personally, I think the punishment for something like rape or molestation should be...(I know this is sick and controversial, but bear with me.)...removal of those..."parts". (Ughk... Then again, that seems kinda cruel and unusual, although the punishment DOES fit the crime.) Tell ya one thing; those crimes would definitely die down, that's for sure. (Aw heck, how 'bout 20 years imprisonment?)

Wow. That's probably the most controversial thing I've EVER said in my ENTIRE LIFE.
I apologize. ...I'll probably get flamed for this... Either that or you guys' opinion of me will drop...


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Edited by - Sapphira on 5/19/2003 7:42:59 PM
"The surest way to happiness is to lose yourself in a cause greater than yourself."

« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2003, 09:02:15 PM »
heh ya I never thought of that as a punishment for rape...However, I was talking about today, not way back before Jesus was on this earth. I could bring up John 3:16 for that. However, the passage slips me, it says that a murder and rape can not have salvation in the flesh (thats why we have to send them to him). ANYWAY howabout we go back to the topic? :~)
BTW IMO your still a cool Gal
and again my GFs probably gonna kill me for saying that...

It‘s-a me, Marionut#1!

Edited by - marionut#1 on 5/19/2003 8:07:33 PM
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Sapphira

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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2003, 09:12:59 PM »
Heheh... Well at least my reputation's still in tact in ONE person's opinion...
Groovy! I've never been called a cool gal before. ^_^

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Deep inside us all is a little green elf telling us to burn things.
"The surest way to happiness is to lose yourself in a cause greater than yourself."

Black Mage

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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2003, 09:18:34 PM »
"Ya just as I thought you cant answer. See in this world stupidity has two levels. Level 1 is where it isnt your fault (I mean where all born with faults) and level 2 is where the stupidity is your fault. Need I say anything further?"

 My point wasn't that the world isn't stupid. It is. However, my point is that stupidity shouldn't be punished so swiftly, and if it is, we haven't the right to judge whether or not it's just.

 You're right, they may not have had any reason to be speeding, but they did. It was simply poor judgement. I'm speaking in circles here. Just because people make a poor choice, I believe, doesn't warrant them deserving of punishment. Yes, Stupidity may be the cause of it, but to say they deserve it is simply as easy as saying you deserved almost being hit by that car. The only difference is, you were NOT punished, as you escaped unharmed.

"Okay, if you commit ANY sin --one little lie, cheating, disobeying your parents (*Gulp* the one that gets me most), adultry, murder, etc., it DOESN'T matter. You deserve to die. (The Bible will back ME up on this one, too! Nya! :)"

 I beg to differ. If the Bible says we should -Die- for sinning, then why do we not? Instead, we are given the chance to redeem ourselves and make up for our sins. While sinning is frowned upon, Jesus did not go around killing people for sinning. He forgave them. Of course, I see what you're saying, though.

"But some offences SHOULD be dealt with justice"

 I agree. And in context to our little car accident scenario, how can one claim that death is justice to speeding? I fail to understand such logic.  Appropriate justice is to be served, such as revoking a licence, or a speeding ticket. One of those may have been deserved, but not death.

"i.e. capital punishment for murder--punishment fits the crime. Personally, I think the punishment for something like rape or molestation should be...(I know this is sick and controversial, but bear with me.)...removal of those..."parts". (Ughk... Then again, that seems kinda cruel and unusual, although the punishment DOES fit the crime.) Tell ya one thing; those crimes would definitely die down, that's for sure. (Aw heck, how 'bout 20 years imprisonment?)"

 An eye for an eye and the world goes blind. I, personally, am not a supporter of capital punishment. I feel no one has the right to take another's life. No matter what. While alive, one can atone for their sins, and better themselves. That choice, should be up to them, not for us to make. While I agree, Rape, Murder, and the like are terrible, terrible crimes, we still do not have the right to take their life. I say, life in prison is enough.

"Wow. That's probably the most controversial thing I've EVER said in my ENTIRE LIFE.
I apologize. ...I'll probably get flamed for this... Either that or you guys' opinion of me will drop..."

 You have no reason to apologize. Stating your beliefs takes courage; if you're flamed for believing such things, then that really says something about the person(s) who do the flaming. I wouldn't imagine people's opinion of yourself dropping either. In fact, I think higher of you, for expressing your beliefs.

« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2003, 09:22:16 PM »
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