My Time Trial Attack of Quad E!

[The Big Boo]

I like Mario Kart 64, it's one of my favorite games, but I stink at it. Example: I had to do community service hours for my school, so I decided to go to my church's Christmas Bazaar, and bring my N64. Being that I love Mario Kart, I brought it as one of the games to play.  Long story short, I lost to a six year old and two people who had obviously never played Mario Kart 64 in three or four years. I never lost in Smash Bros. though...

[Alien_man04]

Marior Kart 64 ah yes many good times,(yes the pun is intended).  But how can people not see the total crap of TT, that i do not know.

Time trials are simply the memorizing of the quickest path around the course, may it be through a "tricky" shortcut or what not does not matter.  It is simply doing the same exact pathetic thing over and over until you can do it without even thinking.

Without even thinking hhhmmmm....

that sure sounds fun alright...

I have been to this illusion of the oasis in the sands of the dessert, and I personally even know the false prophet of lizard dude.

Do not be fooled ye who thirst, for there is a place, for those who shun the way of the mindlest time seeking drone

IT IS THE ARENA!!

Let them come...

For, before me they shall perish

The battlemode is the true way.  It is where i started, I gained my skill there, then took it to time trials. TT is nothing, for a true challenge play battle mode.

I see that some say the tt is the only fun mode. They are wrong. Battle Mode gets more intense the more you play it, and the better the poeple are that you play against.

I have been to that oasis that looked so nice, and i have tasted it's tainted waters.
And have returned to the place that is right, where masters can duel or take on multiple opponents at once, the TRUE JUDGE OF SKILL...

             THE BATTLE MODE

[Insane Steve]

"Battle Mode is the true judge of Skill".

Please. If I wasn't shallow and didn't respect others' opinions, that could have been the 6th edition of my "Stupid Quotes" in my signature. Although you have your opinion... and I can't fault it - all I can do is prove you wrong. No offense intended, and if I did offend you, I apologize in advance.

Firstly, I will agree that TT mode is memorizing the path through the course... to an extent. However, even when you KNOW the correct path, it takes a good many attempts to do it, and brilliant mastery of each paticular course with no mistakes. It is hard. And of course, here's the true kicker: NO RANDOMNESS. That's right, TT mode is strictly skill. No random items, no erratic other racers, just you and your ability.

All Battle Mode does is prove who is the luckiest player. Admit it: In Battle Mode, the winner is the person who always gets the red shells and Starmen. It requires few driving skills, and mostly "Pull-the-good-items" skills. I mean, I don't care how good a driver you are, you'll never win at Battle Mode if you only pull single Green shells and single Banana Peels (like me). Sure, it's fun, but it sure isn't the true test of Mario Kart skill.

I mean, if Battle Mode is the indicator of a good MK player, I must really suck despite my sub-1:20 Mario Raceway non-shortcut time... and my Frappe Snowland lap which is .10 seconds off the World Record.

I mean, not even the Vs. and Grand Prix mode are fair... the game ALWAYS gives Super Mushrooms and Lightning Bolts to the player in the back of the pack, and all the crap items to the leading player. CPU assistance... it makes things interesting while rendering any racing skill you have useless.

Just my $.02. And LD, did anyone get your $5.00 US? That is, beside me. ;)

Stupid Quotes: (5th edition)
"I`d like to buy a vowel. An N?"
~Contestant on "Wheel of Fortune"

[Chupperson Weird]

I agree with everything in that post.
(Oh yeah, it gives Spiny Shells to the losing players too... the ultimate in wimpy powerful weaponry.)

[Markio]

Personally, I like every mode on MK64, because:

TT-you don't have to do a whole cup, where you play fun levels and some that you don't like(fe:banshee boardwalk I don't like, but I like Rainbow road).

Vs.-C'mon, competeing at anything is fun.

Battle- whenever I do this mde, we basically laugh at ourselve when we mess up.  We go to block fort and fire all the green shells so the bottom floor is like a death trap.  And when I fire a red shell after I pass the person, it turns around and hits me. XD

MGP-It's just FUN.  I like laughing at the computers, and when you beat special cup, the credit music is a really great song! XD  And it's the main attraction of the game.

Basically, I like all the parts of the game.  I enjoy the game my way, you enjoy it yours.  *everyone lives happily ever after*

If you don''t have anything nice to say, make sure you have something heavy to throw.

[Lizard Dude]

Well, I do enjoy all parts of the game; it's just that after so much playing it, only Time Trial remains fulfilling.

And Steve, no one is Quad E has come close, but some RA from a different place came in and beat my Luigi Raceway time, WHICH I HAD FORGOT TO SET because I used that one to teach a few friends to powerslide. I saw that I had a time there and so forgot to record an actual good one. When I saw her note I went back and beat it by a full 17 seconds in one try. I'll call her and explain. Maybe she'll be nice.

Plus, I spent my last $5 for now on preordering Double Dash.

I’m not stupid, I’m LD.

[Alien_man04]

ah now i see...

If you truly believe what determines the winner of battle mode is luck (from the items that you collect), then I believe what I said previouly, people disliking it only because they suck at it, even more.

Battle mode is won by the player who can best; turn, slide, brake, accelerate, and use strategy.  Not set strategy, but strategy that evolves to, and with, the battle.

Trying to follow a set path over and over to get a good time is not skill, but luck, much more so than any thing an experienced player that knows what they are doing will ever use in the battle mode.

Luck in battle mode is your opponent making a mistake, this will cost them dearly.  But is this truly luck, no it is the other player being weak.

I must still believe in only that of the battle mode.


ps- Will some one slap the retard that said, the game gives the losers, in battle mode, spiked shells.

this is not possible, neither can you get the red shell stack

[Markio]

Hey, don't call people names... except maybe if they called you worse names first.

And the items lean towards this:

1st-bananas and green shells

2nd-same as first, and a red shell

3rd-three red or green shells

4th-same as third

5th-stars and shells

6th-same as fifth

7th-lightning bolts, three red shells, and rarely blue shells

8th-lightning bolts and, more often than 7th, blue shells

This is what they are usually, but that doesn't mean that there's no variety.

If you don''t have anything nice to say, make sure you have something heavy to throw.

[Insane Steve]

Wait a second. First, you flat out tell me that I suck at MK64, once again, despite my times - which are better than most people I know, and then you tell me that Time Trail mode is more luck than Battle Mode? Ugh...

Let me explain this again.

"Battle mode is won by the player who can best; turn, slide, brake, accelerate, and use strategy."

To an extent, those things will help you in much the same way that being good at the mini-games helps you in Mario Party: Although it does give you an advantage over the poor players in the room, much of the game is decided by the item selection, just as the rolling determines how good you are at Mario Party. Turning skills, for example, won't help you if your opponent gets a red shell every time (s)he pulls an item. What good is strategy if you get single Banana Peels and Green shells every time? You're a non-factor unless you get items! I mean, my friend, whom I can DESTROY in all the racing modes, beats me 7/10 times in Battle Modes because he always seems to get red shells, starmen, and tri-green shells, while I always get single green shells and single banana peels. It really hasn't anything to do with driving skill; if it did, he'd beat me 7/10 times in the race modes.

Although I will admit that Battle Mode best tests your ability to adapt to situations in the game, seriously, the randomness of the item selection prevents it from being a good judge of ability.

Abnd I don't see at all how TT mode is luck! That statement is more preposterous than the "Battle Mode is the only test of MK6 skill, and you suck at MK64 if you suck at Battle Mode" comment, because at least battle Mode does require a small amount of skill! I fail to see ANY LUCK WHATSOEVER in TT mode. Can you tell me what requires luck? There aren't random items! I mean, you can't pull great items to help your run; you get the same three Mushrooms to start every run. There's aren't any inconsistant players! You can't get blasted by a shell from a player who you lapped that can ruin your record-setting run in TT mode.

What you are saying can be compared to the following. DO you believe in the following statement?

"Intelligence is given to someone strictly by luck and is thus non-sequential to my overall value as a person, and if you aren't lucky, you suck at life, because you obviously have no skills."

Is that what you believe? Because that is what you seem to believe in MK64 terms.

And about that retard comment. The exact quote was:

"(Oh yeah, it gives Spiny Shells to the losing players too... the ultimate in wimpy powerful weaponry.)"

This was I am certain a referrence to Vs./GP modes, which I referred to a post prior.

Battle Mode is my weakest mode in MK64, not because I can't drive, but because I pullbad items. If you still think I suck at MK64, please tell me to my face, and also tell me how to get luckier with my items selection so I can become a decent, skilled player.

Thanks in Advance,
~Insane Steve

Stupid Quotes: (5th edition)
"I`d like to buy a vowel. An N?"
~Contestant on "Wheel of Fortune"

[Lizard Dude]

"Trying to follow a set path over and over to get a good time is not skill, but luck, much more so than any thing an experienced player that knows what they are doing will ever use in the battle mode."

Okay, this guy's crazy. *runs away*

I’m not stupid, I’m LD.

[Markio]

Insane Steve, don't argue with an idiot; he'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.  Actually, he probably isn't an idiot.  I think I'm trying to say that if he thinks that, then he thinks that.  You don't agree with him, and that's fine.  If he thinks something that's not true, then that's his problem.  The End.

If you don''t have anything nice to say, make sure you have something heavy to throw.

[Chupperson Weird]

Hey, smart boy Alien_man04, I didn't say you got them in battle mode. Try reading what people write instead of jumping to conclusions. *runs away too*

[Alien_man04]

The person who said they agreed with the post above was putting down bm, then this person said the game always gives the loser spiny shells, so tell me if i'm wrong here the only logical way to take this is to apply it to puting down bm.(notice every thing i said was affirming bm and puting down tt)

the only way what luck is going to effect the items is by getting the ones you know how to use.

a single red shell was said to be a very cheap weapon. but even a banana can be used as a shield.

turning along walls and forcing the shell to over run the corner and hitting and wall is also another way to defend against them.

banana peels i have been told are the most useless weapon, try making banana keeps(putting bananas in the lanes where sheels are coming at your safe location), dragging them around behind you between items makes a shield that will stop attacks from behind(or infront if you slam on the brakes and put it in reverse), even higher in the skill department become the peel lobbing master(with a stack of banana peels i can bomb people across the level)

stars are very powerful but rarely used correctly,people throw them away as defense,
but they are best saved until it comes to being slammed into by any one(this is pretty basic but alot i've still seen way to many people use them wrong)

and if any one has any other questions about bm strats i'd be happy to give em a whirl

[Lizard Dude]

*comes back*
Actually, the most effective way to use a Star is to slam into your opponent three times before it runs out. Not once.
*runs away*

I’m not stupid, I’m LD.

[Insane Steve]

Hmmmmmm, well then, I think you are still kind of missing my point.

It isn't that I don't know how to use certain items. In fact, I know the best and most practical uses for every item.

My point is that, and you even admitted that banana peels were useless, how do you win if you only get banana peels and green shells, and your opponent gets red shells, starmen, and tri-green shells? That happens to me a lot.

Of course, when you play BM, are you playing with 2 people or 4 normally? I mean, with 4 people, BM requires more evasive skill than with 2 players. With 2 players, whoever gets the best items wins. With 4, even if you get terrible items the whole time, you can evade the players and let them blast each other.

Generally, the more players in BM, the better I am. So, 4 player BM might be an OK judge of skill if you disregard the randomness of the items. I think my points come from the fact that I always play BM with only 1 other person, and he always pulls better items.

Yet, I still consider TT the best mode for skill, as although it can be repetitive, there is NO RANDOMNESS. The less that is left to luck, the more that is left to skill.

Anyways, some BM questions for you - maybe that'll help overcome my poor item woes.

1: LW, MW, or HW, which do you recommend for a BM? I always play LW, racing and battle -- I think HW drivers steer like oxen.
2: Why do I always lose on Skyscraper? I mean, I'm decent at the other 3, but I can NEVER win that track.
3: Is the A+B turn really useful? I use it A LOT.

That's all I can think of. Although I STILL say TT mode tests overall racing/driving skill better than BM, but BM tests your situational abilities.

Stupid Quotes: (5th edition)
"I`d like to buy a vowel. An N?"
~Contestant on "Wheel of Fortune"