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Mario Chat / Re: Mario Timeline
« on: January 20, 2013, 04:44:34 PM »
The GameCube Era
Luigi's Mansion [2001]
LM is Mario and Luigi's first encounter with Prof. E. Gadd, and, therefore occurs before MLSS, MLPIT (Present), etc.:
~When Luigi meets E. Gadd in the game's beginning: "Anyway, nice to meet you. I'm Professor E. Gadd." // "So your name's Luigi? I think our paths were destined to cross. Well met, Luigi."
LM references SM64DS?:
~Before the final battle, King Boo says: "The way you plead for help, Mario... I find it so...satisfying. Perhaps that is merely because I remember how much trouble you've caused me in the past."
King Boo has a history with Mario, and therefore, LM is not his first encounter with him, despite this game being King Boo's first appearance.
NOTE: The only non-spinoff games with King Boo (キングテレサ or "King Teresa") (thus far) are Super Princess Peach and SM64DS. However, in SPP, King Boo encounters Peach, not the Mario Bros.
SMS also has a King Boo; however, in Japan his name is ボステレサ or "Boss Teresa," not to mention he looks drastically different, both indicating he may be a different character. SMS also makes a reference to LM (see SMS entry below), indicating LM occurs before SMS, so if indeed they are the same King Boo, it would not be his first encounter with Mario.
SM64DS is therefore the most logical encounter King Boo is referring to in the quotation above.
Additional sources: SMS Japanese to English. See also SM64DS entry above.
LM is foreshadowed in PM, MLPIT (Past), and possibly SM64DS (see above).
LM is referenced in SMS, MLSS, PMTTYD (see below).
Super Mario Sunshine [2002]
SMS references MB, SMB, SMB2, SMB3, SMW, SMK, SM64, and MK64:
~When FLUDD first scans Mario upon initialization, in the bottom left-hand corner, it displays short clips from a battle with Bowser in SMB, the battle with Iggy from SMW, and a battle with Bowser from SM64.
Video of scene. (For whatever reason, embedding videos at a specific time point doesn't work. Sorry.)
~While scanning Mario, in the bottom right-hand corner, FLUDD also lists a bunch of Mario games on the HUD (displayed as mirrored) in the following order: MARIOBROS, SUPERMARIOBROS, SUPERMARIOBROS2, SUPERMARIOBROS3, SUPERMARIOWORLD, SUPERMARIOKIRT [sic], SUPERMARIO64, MARIOKIRT64 [sic], MARIOSUNSHINE.
It's possible this not only indicates the events of those games already happened, but may also indicate the order they occurred historically. However, this is speculation. It's unclear whether SMB2 is intended to be the US version or SMB2J/Lost Levels.
SMS references LM:
~In Episode 3 of Sirena Beach, the Pianta in the hotel's attic comments: "All these ghosts are causing such trouble... They're everywhere! Why can't someone come along and suck 'em up with a vacuum? What? Why are you looking at me like that?"
This is a reference to LM, and implies Mario gave him an odd look, possibly recalling those events. However, it might also just be a meta-joke.
SMS strongly implies it is Mario's and/or Peach's first encounter with Bowser Jr., and, therefore, occurs before NSMB, SMG, NSMBW, SMG2, and any other game with Bowser Jr.:
~When Bowser Jr. reveals his identity:
Bowser Jr: "Leave my mama alone, you bad man! I won't let you take Mama Peach away!"
Peach: "Mama? Mama Peach? I'm your...Mama?"
Bowser Jr: "Yeah, Papa [Bowser] told me all about it. He told me my mama got kidnapped by a bad man named Mario..."
Peach: "So, you're Bowser's son..."
Aforementioned scene (**SPOILERS**):
SMS foreshadows NSMB?:
~At the end of the game, Bowser Jr. tells Bowser, "I know she's [Peach's] not really my Mama... Someday...when I'm bigger... I wanna fight that Mario again!"
(Skip to 3:55 in the video above. **SPOILERS**)
NOTE: SMS may take place either before or after MLSS, PMTTYD, and MLPIT, but must take place before NSMB.
***Possible timeline branch, splitting from LM.
Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga [2003]
MLSS references SMB, SMW, SM64, PM:
~ Woohoo Hooniversity has a room containing blocks from SMB, SMW, SM64, and PM. Hitting said blocks tells what game they're from, along with a description.
- SMB: "Block Used in Super Mario Bros. // Made of secret materials from the Mushroom Kingdom. Metallic appearance is quite popular."
- SMW: "Block Used in Super Mario World // Made of light, shiny materials. Somewhat shock absorbent."
- SM64: "Block Used in Super Mario 64 // Currently analyzing the new technology that makes it vanish when struck..."
- PM: "Block Used in Paper Mario // Appears to be made of soft materials but is actually quite hard. For professionals only."
MLSS references LM:
~E. Gadd and the barista in Starbeans Café indicate the Mario Bros. already know E. Gadd:
Gadd: "Seeing you two... This is a most unexpected chance meeting!"
Barista: "Hey! You guys know the owner?!?"
~In Starbeans Café, E. Gadd uses the Poltergust 3000 (from LM) to suck up a ghost.
~In a couple of Café cut scenes, Luigi uses the Poltergust 3000 (LM) to suck up Gadd.
~One of E. Gadd's inventions is the Poltergust 3001, an upgraded model of the Poltergust 3000.
~Another invention is the Game Boy Horror SP, implied to be an upgraded model of the Game Boy Horror from LM.
Starbeans Café cut scenes:
References to SMRPG:
~In the "Star 'Stache Smash" arcade game in Little Fungitown, Geno makes a cameo appearance, explaining the rules of the game. However, this does not necessarily indicate SMRPG is indeed part of the timeline or that SMRPG occurs first.
Image: Cameo (**SPOILERS**)
Other information:
~In Bowser's Castle, the Koopalings make a cameo appearance, and therefore, this game must occur after SMB3.
MLSS is referenced in PMTTYD, MLPIT (Present) (see below).
NOTE: May take place either before or after SMS, PMTTYD and NSMB, but must take place before MLPIT.
***Possible timeline branch, splitting from LM.
(Continued in next post)
Luigi's Mansion [2001]
LM is Mario and Luigi's first encounter with Prof. E. Gadd, and, therefore occurs before MLSS, MLPIT (Present), etc.:
~When Luigi meets E. Gadd in the game's beginning: "Anyway, nice to meet you. I'm Professor E. Gadd." // "So your name's Luigi? I think our paths were destined to cross. Well met, Luigi."
LM references SM64DS?:
~Before the final battle, King Boo says: "The way you plead for help, Mario... I find it so...satisfying. Perhaps that is merely because I remember how much trouble you've caused me in the past."
King Boo has a history with Mario, and therefore, LM is not his first encounter with him, despite this game being King Boo's first appearance.
NOTE: The only non-spinoff games with King Boo (キングテレサ or "King Teresa") (thus far) are Super Princess Peach and SM64DS. However, in SPP, King Boo encounters Peach, not the Mario Bros.
SMS also has a King Boo; however, in Japan his name is ボステレサ or "Boss Teresa," not to mention he looks drastically different, both indicating he may be a different character. SMS also makes a reference to LM (see SMS entry below), indicating LM occurs before SMS, so if indeed they are the same King Boo, it would not be his first encounter with Mario.
SM64DS is therefore the most logical encounter King Boo is referring to in the quotation above.
Additional sources: SMS Japanese to English. See also SM64DS entry above.
LM is foreshadowed in PM, MLPIT (Past), and possibly SM64DS (see above).
LM is referenced in SMS, MLSS, PMTTYD (see below).
Super Mario Sunshine [2002]
SMS references MB, SMB, SMB2, SMB3, SMW, SMK, SM64, and MK64:
~When FLUDD first scans Mario upon initialization, in the bottom left-hand corner, it displays short clips from a battle with Bowser in SMB, the battle with Iggy from SMW, and a battle with Bowser from SM64.
Video of scene. (For whatever reason, embedding videos at a specific time point doesn't work. Sorry.)
~While scanning Mario, in the bottom right-hand corner, FLUDD also lists a bunch of Mario games on the HUD (displayed as mirrored) in the following order: MARIOBROS, SUPERMARIOBROS, SUPERMARIOBROS2, SUPERMARIOBROS3, SUPERMARIOWORLD, SUPERMARIOKIRT [sic], SUPERMARIO64, MARIOKIRT64 [sic], MARIOSUNSHINE.
It's possible this not only indicates the events of those games already happened, but may also indicate the order they occurred historically. However, this is speculation. It's unclear whether SMB2 is intended to be the US version or SMB2J/Lost Levels.
SMS references LM:
~In Episode 3 of Sirena Beach, the Pianta in the hotel's attic comments: "All these ghosts are causing such trouble... They're everywhere! Why can't someone come along and suck 'em up with a vacuum? What? Why are you looking at me like that?"
This is a reference to LM, and implies Mario gave him an odd look, possibly recalling those events. However, it might also just be a meta-joke.
SMS strongly implies it is Mario's and/or Peach's first encounter with Bowser Jr., and, therefore, occurs before NSMB, SMG, NSMBW, SMG2, and any other game with Bowser Jr.:
~When Bowser Jr. reveals his identity:
Bowser Jr: "Leave my mama alone, you bad man! I won't let you take Mama Peach away!"
Peach: "Mama? Mama Peach? I'm your...Mama?"
Bowser Jr: "Yeah, Papa [Bowser] told me all about it. He told me my mama got kidnapped by a bad man named Mario..."
Peach: "So, you're Bowser's son..."
Aforementioned scene (**SPOILERS**):
SMS foreshadows NSMB?:
~At the end of the game, Bowser Jr. tells Bowser, "I know she's [Peach's] not really my Mama... Someday...when I'm bigger... I wanna fight that Mario again!"
(Skip to 3:55 in the video above. **SPOILERS**)
NOTE: SMS may take place either before or after MLSS, PMTTYD, and MLPIT, but must take place before NSMB.
***Possible timeline branch, splitting from LM.
Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga [2003]
MLSS references SMB, SMW, SM64, PM:
~ Woohoo Hooniversity has a room containing blocks from SMB, SMW, SM64, and PM. Hitting said blocks tells what game they're from, along with a description.
- SMB: "Block Used in Super Mario Bros. // Made of secret materials from the Mushroom Kingdom. Metallic appearance is quite popular."
- SMW: "Block Used in Super Mario World // Made of light, shiny materials. Somewhat shock absorbent."
- SM64: "Block Used in Super Mario 64 // Currently analyzing the new technology that makes it vanish when struck..."
- PM: "Block Used in Paper Mario // Appears to be made of soft materials but is actually quite hard. For professionals only."
MLSS references LM:
~E. Gadd and the barista in Starbeans Café indicate the Mario Bros. already know E. Gadd:
Gadd: "Seeing you two... This is a most unexpected chance meeting!"
Barista: "Hey! You guys know the owner?!?"
~In Starbeans Café, E. Gadd uses the Poltergust 3000 (from LM) to suck up a ghost.
~In a couple of Café cut scenes, Luigi uses the Poltergust 3000 (LM) to suck up Gadd.
~One of E. Gadd's inventions is the Poltergust 3001, an upgraded model of the Poltergust 3000.
~Another invention is the Game Boy Horror SP, implied to be an upgraded model of the Game Boy Horror from LM.
Starbeans Café cut scenes:
References to SMRPG:
~In the "Star 'Stache Smash" arcade game in Little Fungitown, Geno makes a cameo appearance, explaining the rules of the game. However, this does not necessarily indicate SMRPG is indeed part of the timeline or that SMRPG occurs first.
Image: Cameo (**SPOILERS**)
Other information:
~In Bowser's Castle, the Koopalings make a cameo appearance, and therefore, this game must occur after SMB3.
MLSS is referenced in PMTTYD, MLPIT (Present) (see below).
NOTE: May take place either before or after SMS, PMTTYD and NSMB, but must take place before MLPIT.
***Possible timeline branch, splitting from LM.
(Continued in next post)