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Fwirt

  • Now in Cherry
« on: January 23, 2007, 03:41:54 PM »
Okay,
         I sometimes try to prove mariology theories by saying that the evidence is in SMRPG.  However, some Mario fans don't consider SMRPG canonical, because it was made by Square.  A few interesting details were put into SMRPG including lots of new characters (that for the most part haven't been seen since), a Mushroom Chancellor (Peach wasn't the head of government), a new layout to the mushroom world, and yoshi's toes.  So, how many people consider SMRPG to be within the Mario canon?
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Red Paratroopa

« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2007, 03:46:03 PM »
I consider it part of the canon, but if one of the more "official" games contains something that is contradicted in SMRPG, I'll go with the "official" game first.
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yoshimastar

« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2007, 03:58:26 PM »
At the Mariology forum Forum we've concluded the SMRPG area is another part of the Mushroom Kingdom ( Like Hawaii to the US ). The Chancellor rules that area while Peach rules the Paper Mario/Mario&Luigi area.

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Fwirt

  • Now in Cherry
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2007, 04:24:55 PM »
That's interesting...  But how can there be more than one Bowser's Castle at the same time?
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MaxVance

  • Vance Vance Revolution
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2007, 04:50:07 PM »
I always thought it was completly canonical. I also think the Chancellor does the real ruling of the Mushroom Kingdom and that Peach is merely the Kingdom's figurehead.
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The Chef

  • Super
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2007, 06:20:15 PM »
I've always thought that it shows the area to the right of the map in Paper Mario 1, which also represents the areas from SMB3. Bowser has had many different castles over the years, so the one he had as of SMRPG happened to be located on Vista Hill.

PaperLuigi

« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2007, 11:45:46 PM »
I don't really see it as something that should be excluded from the timeline of other Mario RPG's, but in terms of the other Mario games, it doesn't fit the timeline.
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Red Paratroopa

« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2007, 10:00:20 AM »
Timeline? How doesn't it fit this so-called "timeline" that apparently exists?
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MEGAߥTE

  • In flames
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2007, 10:12:11 AM »
Quote from: yoshimastar on January 23, 2007, 03:58:26 PM
At the Mariology forum Forum we've concluded the SMRPG area is another part of the Mushroom Kingdom ( Like Hawaii to the US ). The Chancellor rules that area while Peach rules the Paper Mario/Mario&Luigi area.

Wow, I'm glad I avoid that forum.

Fwirt

  • Now in Cherry
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2007, 04:08:56 PM »
Quote from: MaxVance on January 23, 2007, 04:50:07 PM
I always thought it was completly canonical. I also think the Chancellor does the real ruling of the Mushroom Kingdom and that Peach is merely the Kingdom's figurehead.

That's what I usually think, but somehow Toadsworth seems to be looking after the Princess nowadays.  I just wonder what they did with the chancellor (maybe Toadsworth keeps him locked in the basement.)  I wish that Nintendo would bring back more elements of SMRPG into recent games.  Geno was in M&L:SS but I'd like to see Mallow around sometime...
"Say, you good at video games?  I'm not good at video games.  The last time I fired up one of my old Sega tapes it made me a waffle."

MaxVance

  • Vance Vance Revolution
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2007, 05:27:07 PM »
I guess we don't see the Chancellor because he's busy running the kingdom. And that usually isn't too interesting.
Remember that your first Goomba boldly you walk? When Mario touched that mushroom being brought up more largely remember that you are surprised? Miscalculate your jump that pit remember that it falls?

The Chef

  • Super
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2007, 06:06:43 PM »
Well,  the Chancellor's Japanese name translates as "Mushroom Cabinet Minister", so I'd say he's the same guy as the minister from Paper Mario 1. Guess the Mushroom Kingdom is really a republic.

Chupperson Weird

  • Not interested.
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2007, 07:49:59 PM »
In answer to the thread title:
Yes.
That was a joke.

Fwirt

  • Now in Cherry
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2007, 04:46:20 PM »
But then wouldn't it be "The Republic of Mushroom Land" ?  But it's the Mushroom Kingdom, so it has to be a monarchy, right?
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MEGAߥTE

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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2007, 05:22:25 PM »
You mean like the United Kingdom? :-p

The Chef

  • Super
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2007, 05:37:59 PM »
See? The UK is a republic, right?

BP

  • Beside Pacific
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2007, 05:57:05 PM »
I didn't post before, but of course SMRPG is canon. Geno is in M&L:SS.
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Suffix

  • Steamed
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2007, 06:35:49 PM »
...As part of a minigame machine.

MaxVance

  • Vance Vance Revolution
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2007, 06:57:26 PM »
And his likeness wouldn't have been in the machine if he hadn't existed in the Mushroom Kingdom and surrounding lands.
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MEGAߥTE

  • In flames
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2007, 07:27:22 PM »
Quote from: Fwirt on January 23, 2007, 03:41:54 PM
However, some Mario fans don't consider SMRPG canonical, because it was made by Square.

The Mario & Luigi games were made by Alphadream.

Sqrt2

  • 1.41421356
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2007, 07:49:28 AM »
Quote from: The Chef on January 25, 2007, 05:37:59 PM
See? The UK is a republic, right?

Er, no the UK is a constitutional monarchy actually.

Anyway, how can the mushroom kingdom be a kingdom if  there is no king or queen ruling it? If peach is the ruler, then it would technically be a principality (like Wales is).

As for SMRPG being canon, I'd say yes.
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The Chef

  • Super
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2007, 09:57:50 AM »
I still say that King and Queen Toadstool are dead or at least missing, and Peach has to get married to become the next queen.

MEGAߥTE

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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2007, 12:55:03 PM »

Kojinka

  • Bruised
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2007, 07:07:03 PM »
I know the top one is from the comics, which I don't really consider to be canon, but where did the bottom one come from?
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MaxVance

  • Vance Vance Revolution
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2007, 07:26:51 PM »
Judging from the file name, a coloring book.
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Fwirt

  • Now in Cherry
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2007, 07:35:31 PM »
To quote the Wikipedia:
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Adding to the confusion, the game Mario Superstar Baseball and Nintendo's official website for Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time refer to Toadsworth as Peach's father--which would be confusing even without the existence of a previous "Mushroom King," as Toadsworth (an anthropomorphic mushroom) and Peach (a human) are apparently members of two different species.
So, I think Toadsworth really has replaced the Mushroom Chancellor/King Toadstool.  Unless the Mushroom Chancellor's name is actually Toadsworth....
"Say, you good at video games?  I'm not good at video games.  The last time I fired up one of my old Sega tapes it made me a waffle."

MaxVance

  • Vance Vance Revolution
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2007, 07:38:06 PM »
Perhaps Toadsworth was an adoptive father of Peach.
Remember that your first Goomba boldly you walk? When Mario touched that mushroom being brought up more largely remember that you are surprised? Miscalculate your jump that pit remember that it falls?

The Chef

  • Super
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2007, 09:16:15 PM »
Mario Baseball does not refer to Toadsworth as Peach's father. There is however, a joke about about Peach's grandfather:

Lakitu: You're bringing your grandpa!? No wait, it's just Toadsworth.

Whoever added that to the Wiki article is wrong.

Chupperson Weird

  • Not interested.
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2007, 10:42:33 PM »
Wikipedia is pretty much the worst place for any Mario information. Ever.
That was a joke.

PaperLuigi

« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2007, 10:58:55 PM »
It's okay, I guess. Nothing I learned there I didn't know before.
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Chupperson Weird

  • Not interested.
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2007, 07:49:24 PM »
No, I mean, the people who write the Mario articles post tons and tons of misinformation and conjecture.
That was a joke.

Kojinka

  • Bruised
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2007, 10:11:02 PM »
Quote from: MaxVance on January 26, 2007, 07:38:06 PM
Perhaps Toadsworth was an adoptive father of Peach.
I said this a long time ago in the Mariology thread that perhaps Peach and Toadsworth's relationship is similar to that of Zelda and Impa's.  What I mean is that Toadsworth's and Impa's roles are similar.
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Fwirt

  • Now in Cherry
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2007, 01:09:32 AM »
But then who is Peach's father?
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BP

  • Beside Pacific
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2007, 01:14:02 AM »
Someone who is dead.
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Fwirt

  • Now in Cherry
« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2007, 01:55:26 AM »
Maybe Peach's castle has secret rooms, where the important official stuff happens.
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Bukino

« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2007, 10:37:55 AM »
Quote from: Fwirt on January 23, 2007, 04:24:55 PM
That's interesting...  But how can there be more than one Bowser's Castle at the same time?

How many Wily Castles are there at any given time? XD

The Chef

  • Super
« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2007, 04:38:57 PM »
Every time Mario tears down one of Bowser's castles, he ends up building a new one.

ShadowBrain

  • Ridiculously relevant
« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2007, 08:07:18 AM »
Well, as long as Nintendo had SOMETHING to do with it, I'd say it's canonical. Back when that game was made, it's not like a lot of Mario's world was set in stone, seeing as there had only been platformers.

And how would Princess Peach rule under any circumstances, anyway? She's a princess!
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Chupperson Weird

  • Not interested.
« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2007, 10:15:07 AM »
"Princess Peach Toadstool is the sovereign ruler of the Mushroom Kingdom, although by traditional definition this would make her realm a 'principality' and not a 'kingdom.'" ~ Mariopedia
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Fwirt

  • Now in Cherry
« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2007, 09:12:15 PM »
But "Mushroom Principality" just doesn't have a nice ring to it.
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Kimimaru

  • Max Stats
« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2007, 04:32:56 PM »
It is a Mario game, and I believe that it fits in well with the Mario "canon." Yes, Toadsworth is Peach's father.
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The Chef

  • Super
« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2007, 05:22:12 PM »
Where has it said that now?

Chupperson Weird

  • Not interested.
« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2007, 10:44:34 PM »
Nowhere.
That was a joke.

The Chef

  • Super
« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2007, 01:54:57 PM »
Didn't think so.

Kojinka

  • Bruised
« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2007, 02:48:59 PM »
I would think Peach's father (if he's still alive) would be too busy governing the kingdom to worry himself on the welfare of his daughter.  That's where Toadsworth comes into play.  So no, Toadsworth is not Peach's father; he's kinda her father figure, but not her actual father.
Regards, Uncle Dolan
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