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Video Games => Mario Chat => Topic started by: Glitchy on July 28, 2008, 09:00:55 PM
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Does anyone actually know? All I know is that if they made a whole entire game with wall jumping, I would buy it. It's way under-used it almost all Mario games.
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They are, but it's better. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N1TJP1cxmo)
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I find wall kicking satisfying because I know I'm safe after I do it, since I can usually land on another platform after I wall kick. Well, most of the time, at least.
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I'm not sure if you can wall-jump in Mirror's Edge, which bobman linked.
If you want a game about wall-jumping, you can't go wrong with one of my favorite platformers, N (http://www.thewayoftheninja.org/n.html). Most of my playing has been on the XBLA version, N+. A DS and PSP version should be in the works, too.
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I keep thinking that the running-across-the-walls trick is a ripoff of Prince of Persia: Sands of Time. I don't remember who or what did it first, but PoP:SoT was the first game I noticed wall running. No, not wall riding in Tony Hawk games. But running across walls is cool. Actually, Prince of Persia: Sands of Time is mostly acrobatics, give that a try.
Well, for wall kicking, Super Metroid did it wonderfully.
Maybe wall kicking is satisfying for that kicking noise and the "WAH! YAH!" sound. Smash Bros. Melee also had wall kicking (play Target Test with Young Link, you'll see), I just almost never used it.
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Well, for wall kicking, Super Metroid did it wonderfully.
You can't imagine how many days it took me to learn how to execute that move as a kid.
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I think that the main reason it's so satisfying is that it's far more impossible than most of Mario's basic moves. You can jump in real life, you can butt stomp stuff (abeit with pain), and you can even backflip. But it's not really possible to jump off paralell walls and get to higher places. :P
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I only butt stomp on trampolines. Come to think of it, wasn't there a movie that had people wall-jumping (literally wall-jumping) to get higher up? Kung-Fu Hustle, possibly??
Super Metroid did do it perfectly, but I sort of like Mario Sunshine's version, where Mario 'grabs' the wall after hitting it. It made wall jumps easier for those who didn't quiet catch on in SM64, and the SMS version was there in Galaxy, I think.
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I'm not sure if you can wall-jump in Mirror's Edge, which bobman linked.
If you want a game about wall-jumping, you can't go wrong with one of my favorite platformers, N (http://www.thewayoftheninja.org/n.html). Most of my playing has been on the XBLA version, N+. A DS and PSP version should be in the works, too.
I've played it at ebaumsworld hahaa... yeah but when I saw it coming to handhelds I was like Whoa. ftw.
Oh, and yeah, Galaxy did have Sunshine's wall jump characteristics... except you just could hit A without moving the analog stick and he would jump perfectly in places that you were supposed to do it in.... he stays still on the wall for a while!!
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Super Mario 64 - The hardest wall jump. (Then called wall kick, I think). If you didn't press A at the right time Mario would hit his head on the wall
Super Mario Sunshine - It made it loads easier.
Super Mario Galaxy - It made it "newb friendly" because Mario slowly slides down the wall everytime you connect with one, making it loads easier.
New Super Mario Bros. - This was way underused too, but made pits possible to escape from.
Melee - Wall jumping is both unsatisfying and useless in this game, not sure about Brawl. The only thing I remember about Brawl is how retarded ZSS wall jumped.
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Wall kicking is, both figuratively and literally, overcoming obstacles. It is also a maneuver that requires an awesome amount of skill, at least in SM64, so completing the move creates a sense of accomplishment.
Wall Kicks Will Work and Coins Amassed in a Maze were some of my favorite stars to collect.
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Melee - Wall jumping is both unsatisfying and useless in this game, not sure about Brawl. The only thing I remember about Brawl is how retarded ZSS wall jumped.
The kicking in Brawl is a tad better than in Melee. It's just horrible in Melee, I can't even complete Link's (or was it Young Link's?) target smash due to it.
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I think that's more of a case of you not knowing how to do it correctly.
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I knew how to do it just fine, but that Target Test still took me about 10 minutes to complete... I like it better in Brawl; I also like how certain characters can "cling" to walls (Sheik, Lucario, Squirtle, etc.).
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Super Mario Galaxy - It made it "newb friendly" because Mario slowly slides down the wall everytime you connect with one, making it loads easier.
I wouldn't call it "newb friendly." I'd say it's just a move Mario improved on over time. I actually wall-kicking better in Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy because when it is combined with F.L.U.D.D/spin, it makes it so much more useful and it opens up more opportunities for shortcuts.
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Does anyone actually know? All I know is that if they made a whole entire game with wall jumping, I would buy it. It's way under-used it almost all Mario games.
Maybe you enjoy seeing fat plumbers bounce off walls?
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Choji Mario isn't fat, he's pleasingly plump!
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Maybe you enjoy seeing fat plumbers bounce off walls?
Maybe I enjoy defying the laws of gravity in a video game?
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Sounds like you basically answered your own question.
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Who doesn't like doing some kung-fu matrix stuff? Honestly.
Also, you all forgot to mention that SM64DS has the "easified" wall jump from Sunshine.
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It does? I honestly don't remember, it's been quite a while since I've played SM64DS.
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Yes. It does.
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Wait, does this apply to real life as well? I mean, it's definitely cool in games and all, but I get a kick (no pun intended... aw, what the heck. Sure.) out of doing it in real life when I get the chance. Me and my friends used to try to wall-run on a rally wall at the tennis court when we'd go down to the park in sixth/seventh grade. And then some old dude across the road would periodically tell us to knock it off (no, wait, I think it was leaning on the net that ticked him off...).
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A friend of mine can run about 3-4 steps on a wall before he's back on the ground.
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So can I! Everyone, chip and give me a few dollars.
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I can run about 2- 2 1/2 steps up the wall. Walljumping: easy.
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I can run about 2- 2 1/2 steps up the wall. Walljumping: easy.
Play Super Metriod and tell that to me.
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I can climb up to ceiling level by pushing off both walls with my hands/feet. Or, at least, I could--I'm a lot taller, heavier, and probably have dirtier feet than I used to, so who knows.
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I'd be interested in finding out which wall jump everyone finds the most satisfying. Some people raised complaints over the "difficulty" of wall jumping in SM64, but I find the possibility of failure makes a successful wall jump all the more delicious.
So, to be honest, SM64 has the best wall jump--to me at least.
Also, Phelps just got another gold medal in 400 meter medley... I didn't know there was a medley.
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Meh, wall jumps are all the same to me...
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the wall jump originally came from the original SMB as a glitch, and doing glitches is fun
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I doubt they created wall jumping because they realized it was a glitch.
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I'd be interested in finding out which wall jump everyone finds the most satisfying. Some people raised complaints over the "difficulty" of wall jumping in SM64, but I find the possibility of failure makes a successful wall jump all the more delicious.
QFT, I like how if you didn't press A at the exact right time Mario would hit his head on the wall, unlike in recent games where he slides.
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I wish I could jump and wall-kick like Mario does in real life.
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I wish I could jump and wall-kick like Mario does in real life.
You can kinda kick off of walls, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWlDY5hO7lg&feature=related) but alas, we're all gravity's fool, so you can't gain much height from this procedure like Mario.
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I'm not going to do that.
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Another good game aside from N is Fancy Pants Adventure. The first one doesn't really call for wall jumping, but the sequel has lots of it in there.... and plenty of elements of Sonic and Mario in it. Very fun! Galaxy reference in that game enemy interaction-wise once you do it.
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Because the walls deserve it, standing there all high and mighty. Yeah I kick you! I kick you face!
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Heya, Boo Dudley! Welcome back!
I just remembered... when I was younger I would do Mario's midair kick attack at walls and didn't understand why the "wall kicking" the signs around the castle mentioned were so useful.
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I did that too.
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I sometimes did that when I was frustrated. I also get a kick out of making Mario smack into the walls (run toward it, then hit Z just before contact). Repeatedly.
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Why do people think wall kicking is so satsifing? I don't! I think long jumping is satisfing though because you know that your covering so much ground in such little time.
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Faster, but not nearly as cool-looking...
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Actually, if we're gonna get into a satisfaction debate, I might be tempted to go with butt-stomping... You Northerners seem to call it a "ground pound", though...
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I did that too.
I also did that.
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I'm a northerner and I call it ground pounding. Anyways when I was real small I thought that Mario was a AWSOME gymnist and/or martial artist. I actually used to be jealous of him for being so aireal and having such awsome reflexes! (no, I did not take drugs back then).
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Actually, if we're gonna get into a satisfaction debate, I might be tempted to go with butt-stomping... You Northerners seem to call it a "ground pound", though...
Interesting, I always have called it a ground pound and I'm a northener.
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I'm a northerner and I call it ground pounding. Anyways when I was real small I thought that Mario was a AWSOME gymnist and/or martial artist. I actually used to be jealous of him for being so aireal and having such awsome reflexes! (no, I did not take drugs back then).
Did you take drugs back then?
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Ground pound is the correct, official term. I usually just go with "pound" though.
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Did you take drugs back then?
I don't think you need to ask that question, he's serious after all.
I've always known it as "Ground-Pound". "Butt-Stomp" sounds inaccurate, silly, and painful.
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I don't think you need to ask that question, he's serious after all.
I've always known it as "Ground-Pound". "Butt-Stomp" sounds inaccurate, silly, and painful.
QFT 2x
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Ground Pound > Spin Jump > Butt Stomp > Hip Drop (seriously, hip drop? What the heck?)
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I agree. "Ground-pound" is the official term...except for in the Mario Party series where it's referred to as "Hip Drop." Not sure what the deal with that is...
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I also did that.
Me too. We should start a club.. The People who were too young and ignorant to read the signs.
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Ground Pound > Spin Jump > Butt Stomp > Hip Drop (seriously, hip drop? What the heck?)
QFT 2x
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I agree. "Ground-pound" is the official term...except for in the Mario Party series where it's referred to as "Hip Drop." Not sure what the deal with that is...
Hip Drop? Isn't Hit Drop? Well, that's what I always read it as...
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"Hop brain drop" is how I heard it in Yoshi's story.
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I always heard Bling (or Brring) Hop when playing Yoshi's Story, or even playing as Yoshi in games where he made similar sounds.
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Hip Drop never made sense to me. Made it sound like it was a cool jivin' hip-hoppin' pound.
Brrring Hop... oh, that noise Yoshi makes when doing the Hip Drop. I just assumed those were nonsensical noises, didn't think it was English. Wish Yoshi wouldn't hum so much.
*looks up a hip drop* I know that's not it, Yoshi has never done belly-dancing before. That I know of. Someone totally has to draw a picture of Yoshi belly-dancing. Maybe. I'll shut up now.
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I can think of a few Nintendo characters I wouldn't mind seeing bellydancing... just not Yoshi.
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Always heard "Proing-HAH!" Not real words.
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I can think of a few Nintendo characters I wouldn't mind seeing bellydancing... just not Yoshi.
*coughcoughsamuscoughcough*
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People having crushes on people in real life they're too shy to approach and will thus never get: acceptable
People having crushes on celebrities, especially married ones, who they will never get: less acceptable
People having crushes on video game characters who aren't real to begin with: what's the matter with you
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Don't let me fool you; of all my friends who are gamers enough to know that Samus is actually a woman under her helemt, I think I'm actually the only one who doesn't have a crush on her... I don't know if you were implying that I did or not, but I refuted it anyway.
What's the matter with me? Plenty of things. But not liking game characters.
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People having crushes on celebrities, especially married ones, who they will never get: less acceptable
People having crushes on video game characters who aren't real to begin with: what's the matter with you
I honestly don't see the big difference between these two.
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I once made a post to that effect somewhere around here.
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I think it's ridiculous to criticize people attracted to videogame characters. I mean, what, I'm supposed to pretend to get turned on by women who aren't as hot because they're... "real"? Besides, there's a difference between "Oh, hey, she's sexy" and a full-blown crush.
And after all those silicon implants and face lifts and whatnot... how "real" are those celebrities anyway?
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Political Discussion Alert?
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Nobody said that John McKain was hot.
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Sarah Palin's not bad, though.
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She is pretty bad if you see the right pictures.
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Is there anyone that's not true of? Besides me?
Or were you speaking metaphorically?
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No, I was meaning, I've seen some pretty horrible pictures.
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Nobody said that John McKain was hot.
*coughMcCaincough*
She is pretty bad if you see the right pictures.
Er...don't you mean wrong pictures?
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It's photoshopped, FYI. (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/permalink/sarah_palin_in_a_miniskirt/)
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I don't know why people acts... um... that way towards Samus.
Everyone know the sexiest character of all videogames is Nana!
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=qJz8ho7yp8I
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I'm going to have to say no...
But Samus is by no means the sexiest, either...
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It's a hard decision between Roselina and Samus.
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Have you ever considered real people?
By real people, I mean not any portrayed in a video game or movie.
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I wonder if Nintendo knows what they did by creating Rosalina. When Super Mario Galaxy came out, you could almost hear the hundreds of Deviations hit the web.
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Don't forget Gardevoir...
...And Lopunny.
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Nintendo shouldn't have to do things/not do things just because people are stupid. They do that enough with Wi-Fi.
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I'm not saying they should make all their characters uber-chaste, or something. It was just a wry observation.
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Have you ever considered real people?
By real people, I mean not any portrayed in a video game or movie.
I think she's pretty hot.
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I think you're wrong.
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Oh now I'm wrong about how hot real women are huh!!?? lol.... But actually yes, she is very hot and I have absolutely NO idea how you can look at a hot chick in a pink, form fitting shirt, and not think about how sexy she is.
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All I keep thinking about is how contrived that film was. :/
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All I could think about when I was watching that movie was how hot she was.
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Remind me not to be on the same road as this guy any time there is a female anything anywhere.
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So it is also wrong to like real people of the opposing gender... I guess his only option is to think that men are hot.
What's wrong with thinking that a videogame character that looks like a real women is hot?
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All I implied was that I don't want to crash into a vehicle driven by a person whose undivided attention is suddenly captured by a woman, regardless of attractive quality.
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Oh now I'm wrong about how hot real women are huh!!?? lol.... But actually yes, she is very hot and I have absolutely NO idea how you can look at a hot chick in a pink, form fitting shirt, and not think about how sexy she is.
What the heck man? You just admitted to being a Christian in the "End of the World" topic. Lusting after a woman isn't good Christian behavior. Just calm down and focus on something else. There's more to life than a woman's body.
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Your right. Thats a HUGE weakness with me though....
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SHOCKING FACT!
Christians also have sex!
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Yeah, so? Does that mean he/she should openly lust after a person of the opposite sex? We're (Christians) supposed to wait for the right person to come along and then totally commit to that person after we've vowed to stay together. Just because a Christian has sex doesn't mean we have to lust. Sex and lust are two totally different things.
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Hole in a sheet. Solves everything.
Wait, how did we get from wall kicks to **POLITICAL DISCUSSION**?
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I've prepared a flow chart.
Wall jump -> Ground pound -> Hip drop -> Belly dancing -> Samus is hot -> Sarah Palin is hot -> Rosalina is hot -> This random chick is hot -> For crying out loud, stop saying everyone is hot -> Why are we talking about this -> This post
In regard to the topic of the last few posts, see Matthew 5:27-28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matt%205:27-28;&version=47;). In regard to the topic of the topic, sort of, I like how you can walk backwards through walls in SMB when you're on a moving platform. More on-topic, I never liked SM64's wall jump, though that may be more because I never had a decent N64 controller. I also really like sliding down walls. Like in N. I need to get the DS one someday.
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A bad N64 controller can indeed ruin wall kick attempts in SM64. It's still my favorite game for wall kicking, though. I guess it's because there were a lot more opportunities to skip past elaborate traps set by the programmers to just get to a star. For example, in Whomp's Fortress, one can simply wall jump to the "Into the Wild Blue" star. And then in Hazy Maze Cave, one can wall kick up to the red mesh instead of going through the Toxic Maze and everything. Then of course there are the long jump tricks, like wall jumping to the Secret Library star in Big Boo's Haunt, and long jumping from the tower to the caged island in Whomp's Fortress. What a fun game.
Does/did the long jump move appear in any other Mario game?
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Yes, in SMG. It was strangley absent from SMS..
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The long jump is your friend when racing Cosmic Mario.
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I like playing and jumping to reach spot you shouldn't reach that way.
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It was strangley absent from SMS..
A lot of things were absent in SMS. I guess that's one of the reasons I can't stand that game.
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The long jump is your friend when racing Cosmic Mario.
Even more so when facing Cosmic Luigi (yeah, no need for spoiler tag).
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Oh now I'm wrong about how hot real women are huh!!?? lol.... But actually yes, she is very hot and I have absolutely NO idea how you can look at a hot chick in a pink, form fitting shirt, and not think about how sexy she is.
The white collar is kind of ugly.
I've prepared a flow chart.
Wall jump -> Ground pound -> Hip drop -> Belly dancing -> Samus is hot -> Sarah Palin is hot -> Rosalina is hot -> This random chick is hot -> For crying out loud, stop saying everyone is hot -> Why are we talking about this -> This post
I nominate this for post of the year. Also, you forgot the religion aspect.
Yes, in SMG. It was strangley absent from SMS..
In regard to the topic of the last few posts, see Matthew 5:27-28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matt%205:27-28;&version=47;). In regard to the topic of the topic, sort of, I like how you can walk backwards through walls in SMB when you're on a moving platform. More on-topic, I never liked SM64's wall jump, though that may be more because I never had a decent N64 controller. I also really like sliding down walls. Like in N. I need to get the DS one someday.
Um, wall-jumping is in SMS...
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Does/did the long jump move appear in any other Mario game?
Yes, in SMG. It was strangley absent from SMS..
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The white collar is kind of ugly.
You think? I didn't even notice it that much.
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Her face is kind of ugly.
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I rest my case.
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Remind me not to have this guy as my lawyer any time there is a female anything anywhere.
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Mr. Wiggles is now joined by someone else who likes to use "hot" women in his avatars...
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Are we just gonna start calling MushroomJunkie "this guy" now?
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That should be my new CT.
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Eh heh, I didn't notice that. (Lol blank quote)
Her face is kind of ugly.
Only a bit.
Remind me not to have this guy as my lawyer any time there is a female anything anywhere.
Who are you referring to?
Mr. Wiggles is now joined by someone else who likes to use "hot" women in his avatars...
Oooh...
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Who are you referring to?
He was refering to me. He thinks I am some kind of "girl junkie", don't know where he could have possibly got that idea.....
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Sexeh
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I guess you didn't see his avatar that he had briefly before switching to that one...
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My avatar was a picture of Camila Belle with the text "sexy" under it but I changed it.
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My avatar was a picture of Camila Belle with the text "sexy" under it but I changed it.
Not to change the topic again, but...I've seen better then her. What makes her so special?
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Sexeh
I totally agree. The amazing success of this thread is going to make me make another. *Goes to make.
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You like my sexeh chao don't you? Oh yeah, he's smoking hot, just look at the red streaks on his head and spiky ball above him! HE ROXORZ!!!!
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He looks like Shadow. I hate him already.
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Shadow was cool until he had his own game, I think. His arrogance in Sonic Adventure 2 only made me like Sonic more, which in turn made Shadow cool. Now he just...I dunno, sucks.
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I think that his character had potential, but it was wasted somewhat; I mean, look at Knuckles. He used to be the numero uno Sonic rival (with the possible exception of Metal Sonic), but after the Adventure games he basically became Tails II. Shadow is looking more and more like going the same way, unfortunately; I haven't seen enough of Silver to judge his transformation; Blaze somewhat works in her current role, but also, like Shadow, has a lot of potential that could be used (really liked how she was portrayed in Sonic Rush); and even Metal Sonic did a heroic deed in Sonic Rivals 2, though one could interpret that as Eggman forcing him to.
Anyway, I find wall jumping satisfying because I know I'll never be able to do it in real life and that sheer moment of awesomeness is as close as I'll ever get to the real thing. \=|
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Eggman turned partly good in Sonic Adventure 2.
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Never to be a respectable villain ever again.
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Dr. Robotnik is best when he's bad and just downright disappointing when he's good. It was fun for one game, but now they have Dr. Robotnik teaming up with the good guys every single game.
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Glad they didn't do that with Bowser...
Wait...
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People don't hate Shadow so much as hate the people who love him and would die for his honor.
To be perfectly relevant, wall jumping was introduced in the Adventure series. It was overly flashy of course and not in the least satisfying. I guess that last sentence sums up the Sonic series as a whole. :/
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Never to be a respectable villain ever again.
Apparently BioWare (the minds behind Chronicles) are hoping to make Eggman a more respectable villain again.
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Shadow did die at the end of the Sonic series. Remember he help sonic stop the ARK from hitting earth and at the end his power ran out and he was sucked out into space towards earth. The last thing he said was "Maria, is this what you wanted?". It was very sad and I was depressed for the rest of the day.
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Well, the last time I checked this topic, it was a discussion about the hottest video game character, so I bailed. Now, you guys are talking about Shadow... 'Wonder how that little evolution occurred.
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Glad they didn't do that with Bowser...
Wait...
That only happens in the RPGs, and he's usually annoyed or reluctant about it.
Apparently BioWare (the minds behind Chronicles) are hoping to make Eggman a more respectable villain again.
Which is why he's a playable character.
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Are you implying that Shadow isn't the hottest game character of all time? I mean, just look at him! He's so... melancholy.
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Which is why he's a playable character.
I just saw the YouTube vid that's proof, so hopefully BioWare are skilled enough to pull this off.