Next 3-D Mario Game?

[silverstarman]

PaperLuigi go

Good for him, because you've been talking like an idiot.

[CrossEyed7]

Getting back to the topic again, I'm very hesitant about having SM64DS-style unlockable characters. At least 70% of the fun of SM64 came from the complete freedom it offered, and for me, SM64DS completely took that away by splitting up abilities among 4 characters that have to be switched between. Even when all the levels have hats, you still can't just go around as Yoshi the whole time - what if you want to do a wall kick in the castle? Then you have to walk over to the Secret Slide room, walk through the character door, and walk back to where you were. No spontaneity.

If it was like Galaxy, where the optional unlockable character gives a different playing experience but can still do everything, I'd be all for that. Although I might want a more different playing experience if I had to get 120 stars again for each character.

[MEGAߥTE]

Actually, that's a good point.  Galaxy still had the same problem though, where you had several levels designed around specific power-ups.

[Corleone]

Getting back to the topic again, I'm very hesitant about having SM64DS-style unlockable characters. At least 70% of the fun of SM64 came from the complete freedom it offered, and for me, SM64DS completely took that away by splitting up abilities among 4 characters that have to be switched between. Even when all the levels have hats, you still can't just go around as Yoshi the whole time - what if you want to do a wall kick in the castle? Then you have to walk over to the Secret Slide room, walk through the character door, and walk back to where you were. No spontaneity.

If it was like Galaxy, where the optional unlockable character gives a different playing experience but can still do everything, I'd be all for that. Although I might want a more different playing experience if I had to get 120 stars again for each character.

Then what's the point of unlockable characters?

[MEGAߥTE]

The point is to have characters who have minor differences-- different enough to make strategy slightly different, yet similar enough that you don't need a special character's abilities to get through the game (though they might make it easier).
See: Super Mario Bros. 2 JPN and USA, Super Mario Galaxy

[Corleone]

I like the idea. I guess everyone should have their own physical traits, but the same moves.

I'd like to see the return of Luigi and (maybe) Wario, but I think there shouldn't be a required character for some missions.

[ShadowBrain]

Graphics come before gameplay? WTD. Okay then. Considering your logic, I'd play one of those boring PS3 racer games, and beacause it has good graphics, yet crappy game play, it's a succesful game. NO. If graphics are so importatnt, why not watch a movie. Go watch Transformers. If the graphics are good, but the gameplay is boring/unoriginal/erratic, then graphics are not more important. Inless the entire screen is blurry, and unintelligilble, then, and only then, are graphics more important. Besides, the Wii's graphics are GOOD ENOUGH. Half of the stuff that PS3 fans boast about are not even noticable. And who cares if it plays DVDs? Why, are they so cheap, they don't even have a DVD player? They wasted all thier money on a PS3?

Totally. Frankly, the PS3 and Wii have just about the same amount of games worth buying, but I figure I'd rather spend $250 on crud than $500 on better-looking crud.

[Vidgmchtr]

Actually, looking at the context of the rest of Presidente's sentence, his "graphics before gameplay" looks like a typo, and that he mixed his words up.

[BP]

Actually, that's a good point.  Galaxy still had the same problem though, where you had several levels designed around specific power-ups.

Ah, yes... we all miss the days when power-ups were there for the sole purpose of powering you up, don't we?

Calm it down, Nintendoobsessed. Presidente is right about the game's impression being more important for the buying process. That's why Nintendo lost last round. The Wii is winning this round because the gameplay is very apparent and appealing even before you play it. Last round, all the games were controlled the same way, so graphics and price were the big factors for what system one would buy.

Of course, this applies more to confused moms than kids, teenagers or college students who know what they're buying--to those who know more than the outside, graphics aren't (or at least shouldn't be) the deciding factor. Even then you have Xbox Live and things like that to put the GameCube behind... I'm not saying the GC is any better or worse than the PS2 or Xbox, having not played enough of the latter two to judge them.

[Crazee]

I think graphics matter, but I have an issue with the idea that graphic quality is in how technologically advanced a game is. SMW2 has great graphics and is beautiful today...same with Nights on the Saturn and a million other games that used great artwork and creativity as opposed to an advanced polygon rate or the like. Those are tools...you use them to make games look good, but it doesn't look good just BECAUSE. That's why so many PS1 games look ugly now, there wasn't any sense of artistic vision and the frame rates are horrible.

[Chupperson Weird]

I agree; style is infinitely more important than that nebulous thing called "graphics".

[ShadowBrain]

Same here. In some ways, Wind Waker's graphics are better than TP's!

[Shyguy92]

Ok, I got an idea. Online co-op. Then there's no (overly-despised) split screen. This game will be for people who hate split screen*****. Make some kind of mode where the player's race to the finish/star, or something. I dunno.


*****(Chupperson Wierd, other's. I still don't see what's wrong with it.)*****

[ShadowBrain]

^ ...You've lost me there.

[Chupperson Weird]

Well I stated my reasons for hating splitscreen and what's wrong with it.