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General Chat / Re: Speed Test
« on: November 05, 2012, 01:14:37 PM »
FAIL. >:(
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.
I took the this test maybe a year ago? And got an F- (slower than 97%). So at least it's improved. ... :/
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FAIL. >:(
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.
I took the this test maybe a year ago? And got an F- (slower than 97%). So at least it's improved. ... :/
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Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Sexual Orientation
« on: November 04, 2012, 11:59:34 PM »
x_____x Whoa... CrossEyed! That post must've taken you forever to write!
So...confused...by...androgynous...persons... Male...? Female...? Brain...not...computing... XD
With androgynous people, I think I perceive their gender based on how feminine or masculine they look. So, like the people (males?) in those pictures Luigison and CrossEyed linked/posted have pretty feminine traits. I've seen androgynous people (females?) who look fairly masculine, though.
I remember Polly Pocket! I think I had this one as a kid. I definitely had this one. 1990? 1992? (Why does it say '89 if it's '92?) Man, I feel old.
Anyway, I think I'll respond with my own ridiculously long post of overshare.
Growing up, I occasionally played with toys that were generally considered more "boyish"—although I did so in a girly sort of way. Like I remember playing with Hot Wheels with my brother, and we'd have the cars act sort of like people/characters—like in the movie Cars. Micro Machines would be kids. Occasionally we'd set up tracks and race them. I don't think I ever played cars by myself, just with my brother. I only had maybe two cars that were actually mine; one was pink and the other was a sort of bright neon red van (girly cars). I also occasionally played with my brother's Batman toys and dinosaurs, but again, only with him and possibly his friends, never by myself.
My favorite toys growing up were LEGOs and video games, which, while I guess are gender-neutral, were more associated as things girls didn't play much. I did have female friends who played with those, too. I also LOVED playing Barbies, though, which is "girly"—but, actually, I played with them way longer than my friends did, to the point where I was afraid people would make fun of me. My best friend, who was about two years younger than me, stopped playing with them before I did—and we used to play Barbies together all the time. I was probably 11 or 12 when I finally stopped.
Incidentally, my brother would occasionally play Barbies with me, but only if he had his dinosaurs. (Whenever he got his hands on my Barbies without me, he'd strip them and pull off their heads, which INFURIATED me! He broke the necks of several of them!)
Heh, I think that's why I like The Sims 2 so much—it's like LEGOs and Barbies and video games wrapped into one glorious package!
I was also obsessed with Power Rangers and Star Wars as a kid, which is also considered more of a boy thing. I remember we kids and our neighborhood friends would play "Power Rangers"—and we each would pretend to be a different Ranger. I was, of course, Pink, my favorite color (at the time). It was pretty gender-balanced, though; there were 3 girls and 3 boys playing (and each of us got to be the color we wanted), so maybe it wasn't too weird/boyish. *Shrug*
I remember being embarrassed that I liked Power Rangers, so I kept it hidden from my classmates. I felt bad because I never wore a Pink Power Ranger outfit (clothes, not a costume) that my friends (the family of two of the other "Rangers") got me for my birthday. I was too self-conscious to wear it.
Oddly enough, for the longest time, growing up I claimed I hated the male gender. I even refused to say the word "boy" and instead replaced it with the word "alien." XD (It's so ingrained in me that to some degree I still feel awkward saying "boy" to this day. I usually say "guy," anyway. But that's weird when talking about male children, as opposed to, like, teens and young adults. I got over it after working with kids. :P)
I was probably in denial, though, about hating males, because I played with both genders pretty frequently. I always considered the boys to be my brother's friends, not mine. I really only played with them in group settings where there was at least another girl. Unless it was video games.
My parents said, "Oh, you'll change your mind eventually. You'll like boys." I was squicked out by that idea, and claimed I never wanted a boyfriend or to get married or any of that sort of thing. Then again, considering the only guys I ever spent any extensive time around were my brother and his friends—whom I also viewed as annoying little brothers—my attitude kind of made sense.
In middle school, I briefly wondered if I were gay, because girls all around me were obsessed with guys and talked about crushes and stuff, and I thought guys were "gross" and didn't understand what all the fuss was about. But then I realized I wasn't attracted to girls, either, so I guess that made me "nothing yet."
By the time I was, hmm,15? 14, I realized maybe there were SOME guys that weren't so bad. I formed a sort of acquaintanceship with a guy who sat next to me in English (that is, he was a guy I talked to in class), and he was okay.
I think what really changed my attitude toward the male gender, though, was this message board. (Dawww... :] ) I formed a lot of friendships here. And this place is predominantly male. So yeah.
In the later years of high school, I formed friendships with a few "IRL" guys. I think I had my first legitimate crush when I was like 17. Yeah, I'm slow. (Looking back, I probably did have a couple of fleeting crushes in like 6th grade, back when boys were still "yucky," but if I did, I was in denial about it.)
After experiencing my first serious crush, I realized, okay, maybe I am straight! ...Sort of. (Coming to terms with that was awkward, considering I'd previously vowed I'd never liked guys.) Whenever I've been attracted to someone, it's been on an emotional/romantic level. Finding the person "aesthetically pleasing" is a component of it, too, I guess, because I've thought of some guys as being "cute" without being emotionally attracted to them. But I've never been attracted to anyone in a sexual way.
I'm still kind of confused about my orientation, if I'm really asexual or not. I say I am because I've never experienced sexual attraction—including during the times I've been in romantic relationships. Part of me wonders, though, if my lacking it is due to some combination of naturally low libido compounded by being on anti-depressants (which I've been on long before I ever experienced romantic attraction), my shyness/social anxiety, possible Asperger’s, religious upbringing, fear, possibly repression, not being a very touchy-feely person, and having VERY strong aversion to bodily fluids. But I dunno.
I do know that I would be perfectly happy being a virgin my whole life. In fact, I'd probably prefer it that way. Even if I were married. Which means that my odds of ever finding and being in a successful lifetime-lasting romantic relationship are about 0%. If I cared. I'm more interested in companionship/friendship, regardless of gender. "Romance" (in a non-sexual way) is really more of a bonus.
So yeah. Hooray for weirdness and overshare!
So...confused...by...androgynous...persons... Male...? Female...? Brain...not...computing... XD
With androgynous people, I think I perceive their gender based on how feminine or masculine they look. So, like the people (males?) in those pictures Luigison and CrossEyed linked/posted have pretty feminine traits. I've seen androgynous people (females?) who look fairly masculine, though.
I remember Polly Pocket! I think I had this one as a kid. I definitely had this one. 1990? 1992? (Why does it say '89 if it's '92?) Man, I feel old.
Anyway, I think I'll respond with my own ridiculously long post of overshare.
Growing up, I occasionally played with toys that were generally considered more "boyish"—although I did so in a girly sort of way. Like I remember playing with Hot Wheels with my brother, and we'd have the cars act sort of like people/characters—like in the movie Cars. Micro Machines would be kids. Occasionally we'd set up tracks and race them. I don't think I ever played cars by myself, just with my brother. I only had maybe two cars that were actually mine; one was pink and the other was a sort of bright neon red van (girly cars). I also occasionally played with my brother's Batman toys and dinosaurs, but again, only with him and possibly his friends, never by myself.
My favorite toys growing up were LEGOs and video games, which, while I guess are gender-neutral, were more associated as things girls didn't play much. I did have female friends who played with those, too. I also LOVED playing Barbies, though, which is "girly"—but, actually, I played with them way longer than my friends did, to the point where I was afraid people would make fun of me. My best friend, who was about two years younger than me, stopped playing with them before I did—and we used to play Barbies together all the time. I was probably 11 or 12 when I finally stopped.
Incidentally, my brother would occasionally play Barbies with me, but only if he had his dinosaurs. (Whenever he got his hands on my Barbies without me, he'd strip them and pull off their heads, which INFURIATED me! He broke the necks of several of them!)
Heh, I think that's why I like The Sims 2 so much—it's like LEGOs and Barbies and video games wrapped into one glorious package!
I was also obsessed with Power Rangers and Star Wars as a kid, which is also considered more of a boy thing. I remember we kids and our neighborhood friends would play "Power Rangers"—and we each would pretend to be a different Ranger. I was, of course, Pink, my favorite color (at the time). It was pretty gender-balanced, though; there were 3 girls and 3 boys playing (and each of us got to be the color we wanted), so maybe it wasn't too weird/boyish. *Shrug*
I remember being embarrassed that I liked Power Rangers, so I kept it hidden from my classmates. I felt bad because I never wore a Pink Power Ranger outfit (clothes, not a costume) that my friends (the family of two of the other "Rangers") got me for my birthday. I was too self-conscious to wear it.
Oddly enough, for the longest time, growing up I claimed I hated the male gender. I even refused to say the word "boy" and instead replaced it with the word "alien." XD (It's so ingrained in me that to some degree I still feel awkward saying "boy" to this day. I usually say "guy," anyway. But that's weird when talking about male children, as opposed to, like, teens and young adults. I got over it after working with kids. :P)
I was probably in denial, though, about hating males, because I played with both genders pretty frequently. I always considered the boys to be my brother's friends, not mine. I really only played with them in group settings where there was at least another girl. Unless it was video games.
My parents said, "Oh, you'll change your mind eventually. You'll like boys." I was squicked out by that idea, and claimed I never wanted a boyfriend or to get married or any of that sort of thing. Then again, considering the only guys I ever spent any extensive time around were my brother and his friends—whom I also viewed as annoying little brothers—my attitude kind of made sense.
In middle school, I briefly wondered if I were gay, because girls all around me were obsessed with guys and talked about crushes and stuff, and I thought guys were "gross" and didn't understand what all the fuss was about. But then I realized I wasn't attracted to girls, either, so I guess that made me "nothing yet."
By the time I was, hmm,
I think what really changed my attitude toward the male gender, though, was this message board. (Dawww... :] ) I formed a lot of friendships here. And this place is predominantly male. So yeah.
In the later years of high school, I formed friendships with a few "IRL" guys. I think I had my first legitimate crush when I was like 17. Yeah, I'm slow. (Looking back, I probably did have a couple of fleeting crushes in like 6th grade, back when boys were still "yucky," but if I did, I was in denial about it.)
After experiencing my first serious crush, I realized, okay, maybe I am straight! ...Sort of. (Coming to terms with that was awkward, considering I'd previously vowed I'd never liked guys.) Whenever I've been attracted to someone, it's been on an emotional/romantic level. Finding the person "aesthetically pleasing" is a component of it, too, I guess, because I've thought of some guys as being "cute" without being emotionally attracted to them. But I've never been attracted to anyone in a sexual way.
I'm still kind of confused about my orientation, if I'm really asexual or not. I say I am because I've never experienced sexual attraction—including during the times I've been in romantic relationships. Part of me wonders, though, if my lacking it is due to some combination of naturally low libido compounded by being on anti-depressants (which I've been on long before I ever experienced romantic attraction), my shyness/social anxiety, possible Asperger’s, religious upbringing, fear, possibly repression, not being a very touchy-feely person, and having VERY strong aversion to bodily fluids. But I dunno.
I do know that I would be perfectly happy being a virgin my whole life. In fact, I'd probably prefer it that way. Even if I were married. Which means that my odds of ever finding and being in a successful lifetime-lasting romantic relationship are about 0%. If I cared. I'm more interested in companionship/friendship, regardless of gender. "Romance" (in a non-sexual way) is really more of a bonus.
[A]t the end of the day, I want companionship with someone who complements me, filling in my weaknesses and accentuating my strengths, and me theirs, and someone to love Jesus and neighbors with, and probably someone to raise kids with and make a family and make a home, and I’m open to finding that love wherever it might show up.I like the way this was worded. I suppose I want something like that. Only without the kids part. What that means exactly, I don't know.
So yeah. Hooray for weirdness and overshare!
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Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Sexual Orientation
« on: October 26, 2012, 04:58:32 PM »
Both faces look androgynous to me. I guess the one on the left looks slightly more feminine, but not all that much. Not enough to make an accurate guess, I think.
Personally, when going solely by appearance and not other cues, the way I deduce the gender of people who are rather androgynous-looking (namely children) is mostly by tertiary sex characteristics, such as hairstyles and clothing. Actually, I'd think you'd kind of HAVE to, since they either don't have obvious secondary sex characteristics or they haven't developed yet. Those who don't fit the "gender norm" appearance are more likely to be mistaken for the wrong gender, I think. Or have others unsure of or question their gender, at least.
the makeup that women wear to look more feminine: lipstick, eyeliner, eyebrow pencil, foundation for smooth skinYou sure seem to know a lot about makeup. ;)
Personally, when going solely by appearance and not other cues, the way I deduce the gender of people who are rather androgynous-looking (namely children) is mostly by tertiary sex characteristics, such as hairstyles and clothing. Actually, I'd think you'd kind of HAVE to, since they either don't have obvious secondary sex characteristics or they haven't developed yet. Those who don't fit the "gender norm" appearance are more likely to be mistaken for the wrong gender, I think. Or have others unsure of or question their gender, at least.
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Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Sexual Orientation
« on: October 24, 2012, 10:52:21 PM »
Yeah, Myers-Briggs. INTJ. Rarest for females, and like 3rd rarest over all, or something. INFJ, eh? Incidentally, that happens to be the rarest personality for males (and also in general). _NFJs tend to be pretty awesome, though.
Partially displaced, eh? Like it depends on the day or her mood or something? Hmm... This is be may kind of a weird/silly analogy, but I wonder if that's akin to the idea of "feeling" unattractive. Some days a person can feel ugly (or fat or something), other days they can feel "normal," other days they can feel "teh hawtness, rawr!" A lot of factors, either internal or external, can contribute to that feeling, even though one's over all appearance doesn't tend to change all that drastically from day to day. And regardless of how others may actually perceive said level of attractiveness. Granted, appearance is more subjective than gender—at least I would think so, but...
Perhaps gender-variant people—who I guess have a more fluid gender identity—can sometimes feel more male, sometimes more female from day to day?
Interesting and helpful video, I think, Markio. That guy talked really fast, though. X_x
Having more gender-neutral bathrooms would probably be a good idea. Not only for people with atypical identities, but also for people who take their young children to the bathroom. I mean, how awkward is it for a mom to bring her 5-year-old son into the ladies' room, or a dad to bring his 5-year-old daughter into the men's room? Likewise, how comfortable or appropriate or safe would it be for a parent to send their opposite-gendered small child into a public restroom by themselves?
Partially displaced, eh? Like it depends on the day or her mood or something? Hmm... This is be may kind of a weird/silly analogy, but I wonder if that's akin to the idea of "feeling" unattractive. Some days a person can feel ugly (or fat or something), other days they can feel "normal," other days they can feel "teh hawtness, rawr!" A lot of factors, either internal or external, can contribute to that feeling, even though one's over all appearance doesn't tend to change all that drastically from day to day. And regardless of how others may actually perceive said level of attractiveness. Granted, appearance is more subjective than gender—at least I would think so, but...
Perhaps gender-variant people—who I guess have a more fluid gender identity—can sometimes feel more male, sometimes more female from day to day?
Interesting and helpful video, I think, Markio. That guy talked really fast, though. X_x
Having more gender-neutral bathrooms would probably be a good idea. Not only for people with atypical identities, but also for people who take their young children to the bathroom. I mean, how awkward is it for a mom to bring her 5-year-old son into the ladies' room, or a dad to bring his 5-year-old daughter into the men's room? Likewise, how comfortable or appropriate or safe would it be for a parent to send their opposite-gendered small child into a public restroom by themselves?
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Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Sexual Orientation
« on: October 24, 2012, 06:53:04 PM »
Wait, you mean your name isn't "Brian"? ;P
I feel so alone, looking at the results of the poll so far... (I'm already pretty alone here, just by being a girl. :P )
Hmm... I have difficulty grasping the "40% male, 60% female" thing, I think. I mean, I have a lot of quirks/traits that are stereotypically "male" (more in a nerdy sense than, like the cliché "masculine," I guess (hah)), and I'm definitely not a "girly girl," but I most definitely identify as female. And I'm more comfortable looking feminine (jewelry, make-up, hair style, clothes styles, etc.).
Then again, I guess I think of my non-feminine traits as part of my personality rather than part of my gender identity. (Incidentally, I have the least common personality type for females. Heh.) Maybe rather than identifying as any part "male" I would identify as part "gender-neutral"? I dunno.
I'm just trying to wrap my head around the concept of gender-variant. I mean, I kind of get the "wrong gender in the wrong body" thing; if I were to suddenly wake up one day as a dude, I'm sure I would still think of myself as female, and thus be totally displaced and disoriented (pun intended). But I'm not sure I get the mixed percentages of gender identity.
I feel so alone, looking at the results of the poll so far... (I'm already pretty alone here, just by being a girl. :P )
Hmm... I have difficulty grasping the "40% male, 60% female" thing, I think. I mean, I have a lot of quirks/traits that are stereotypically "male" (more in a nerdy sense than, like the cliché "masculine," I guess (hah)), and I'm definitely not a "girly girl," but I most definitely identify as female. And I'm more comfortable looking feminine (jewelry, make-up, hair style, clothes styles, etc.).
Then again, I guess I think of my non-feminine traits as part of my personality rather than part of my gender identity. (Incidentally, I have the least common personality type for females. Heh.) Maybe rather than identifying as any part "male" I would identify as part "gender-neutral"? I dunno.
I'm just trying to wrap my head around the concept of gender-variant. I mean, I kind of get the "wrong gender in the wrong body" thing; if I were to suddenly wake up one day as a dude, I'm sure I would still think of myself as female, and thus be totally displaced and disoriented (pun intended). But I'm not sure I get the mixed percentages of gender identity.
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Forum Games / Re: The Add-One-Word Story Returns
« on: October 23, 2012, 11:58:14 PM »
rationalize
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Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Homosexuality and Same-Sex Marriage
« on: October 23, 2012, 11:05:27 PM »
Allow me to apologize for my remarks (and tone?) from the aforementioned post; my 17-year-old self was rather harsh, naive and closed-minded. And maybe bigoted? I don't think I ever intended to emotionally scar anyone, if I did. I'm sorry.
To be fair, I did try to clarify my response. But that still doesn't really excuse my choice of words.
To be fair, I did try to clarify my response. But that still doesn't really excuse my choice of words.
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Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Homosexuality and Same-Sex Marriage
« on: October 23, 2012, 09:25:48 PM »
It was kind of hard to tell your intent just by you quoting me and responding with an image. Revised response: >:P
I don't recall Koopaslaya posting anything bigoted in this thread. Someone else, maybe...
I don't recall Koopaslaya posting anything bigoted in this thread. Someone else, maybe...
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Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Homosexuality and Same-Sex Marriage
« on: October 23, 2012, 08:41:54 PM »
Troll much?
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Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Sexual Orientation
« on: October 23, 2012, 06:46:02 PM »
Interesting video, Luigison. I've always had difficulty categorizing "in-between" colors like turquoise (is it more blue or green?), fuchsia (magenta or purple?), and the color of mac 'n' cheese (orange or yellow?) And when I do use more descriptive color names, like periwinkle or cerulean or mauve or chartreuse, etc., a lot of people are just confused. Even magenta confuses some people, which I regard as a different color from pink, but falling under the same color category (pink being anywhere between dark magenta and light red). Defining what shades of red I like versus shades I do not like is also rather challenging, as I'm really picky about red-colored things (clothes/object color preferences). Similarly, I wonder if cyan should count as its own color or as a variant of blue.
Back on topic, I'm debating whether I should add something like "hetero bi-curious" (or "mostly hetero") and "homo bi-curious" (or "mostly homo") to the poll or just leave it as is. What do you guys think?
Back on topic, I'm debating whether I should add something like "hetero bi-curious" (or "mostly hetero") and "homo bi-curious" (or "mostly homo") to the poll or just leave it as is. What do you guys think?
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Forum Games / Re: The Add-One-Word Story Returns
« on: October 23, 2012, 05:32:14 PM »
illiterate
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Not at the Dinner Table / Re: Homosexuality and Same-Sex Marriage
« on: October 23, 2012, 01:21:40 AM »
My views have slowly shifted over time, as well. (Though I still stand by most (if not all) of what I said in the latter post I linked; I think it had an over all good message. However, the former post I linked makes me cringe.)
I think it's safe to say Turtlekid and CrossEyed inherently disagree and are not going to convince the other to change their standpoint.
I read Koopaslaya's post, and even responded. I commend him for the detail, time, and effort he put into it. I didn't directly address the flaws I found in his argument because I felt others had already adequately pointed them out. I'm still awaiting a response from him regarding my questions.
Re: CrossEyed's post on asexuality and marriage: Thanks for your insight! I'm inclined to agree with everything you said regarding the matter. Though, I'm sure some people may not be so open-minded about it, unfortunately.
Re: Sabbath
Technically—TECHNICALLY—the day of the Sabbath never changed; it was always the seventh day of the week (specifically what we would call Friday evening to Saturday evening). I never recall that being changed anywhere in scripture, and all reasoning I've seen as to why it was changed to Sunday seems rather weak and arbitrary to me.
If one were to interpret scripture literally, technically Christians would be getting it wrong. If one were to take a more open approach to the matter, and look at the underlying intent and message of the command ("spirit of the law")—spend a day devoted to God and free from work—one could reason that the day of the week doesn't actually matter. (Really we should be devoting more than just a day to God, but you get the idea.) But if you want to take interpretation literally and to the letter of the law, we kind of fail there.
But this is getting off topic, so...
I think it's safe to say Turtlekid and CrossEyed inherently disagree and are not going to convince the other to change their standpoint.
I read Koopaslaya's post, and even responded. I commend him for the detail, time, and effort he put into it. I didn't directly address the flaws I found in his argument because I felt others had already adequately pointed them out. I'm still awaiting a response from him regarding my questions.
Re: CrossEyed's post on asexuality and marriage: Thanks for your insight! I'm inclined to agree with everything you said regarding the matter. Though, I'm sure some people may not be so open-minded about it, unfortunately.
(you guys get the coolest abbreviated name)Haha, yes! XD
This is my first post in this thread-- a topic that I cared little about, and thus did not express an opinion.Actually, that's not true. ;P Thanks for your response, though.
Re: Sabbath
Technically—TECHNICALLY—the day of the Sabbath never changed; it was always the seventh day of the week (specifically what we would call Friday evening to Saturday evening). I never recall that being changed anywhere in scripture, and all reasoning I've seen as to why it was changed to Sunday seems rather weak and arbitrary to me.
If one were to interpret scripture literally, technically Christians would be getting it wrong. If one were to take a more open approach to the matter, and look at the underlying intent and message of the command ("spirit of the law")—spend a day devoted to God and free from work—one could reason that the day of the week doesn't actually matter. (Really we should be devoting more than just a day to God, but you get the idea.) But if you want to take interpretation literally and to the letter of the law, we kind of fail there.
But this is getting off topic, so...
Is it just me, or does sexual not look like a word anymore?I was thinking that too. What's funny is I used to censor that word. (Actually, it's taken a lot of intentional effort not to censor typing it because I'm naturally inclined to avoid saying that word. I figured I needed to get over it if I wanted to be taken seriously.) Hooray for idiosyncrasies!
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