Author Topic: It's time for Bowser to move on and become friends with Mario and Luigi (Read 10364 times)

Sup-edMad-io · « **on:** July 18, 2005, 06:17:33 PM »

There comes a time in series when you get tired of the same old junk. Well, I happen to be the tired of the same old "Bowser kidnaps Peach and Mario rescues her" plot. I thought that Super Mario Sunshine would be a departure from that, but unfortunately, Shadow Mario turned out to be Bowser Jr., Bowser's son through Peach. The whole idea is really starting to turn stale. Besides, Bowser isn't as evil or threatening as he used to be, he's just an immature creep. And he's helped Mario and Luigi too many times (e.g. Super Mario RPG and Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga). I think it's time for Bowser to end his villain reign and become the Super Mario Brothers' friends, like Wario, Waluigi and Donkey Kong have. He can still sometimes be mean, like the first two are sometimes, but I would like to see him as a playable character in the Mario Party games.
He should just end this thing with Peach and find a Monstrous Koopa (that's what I call the kind of Koopa he is) lady to be in love with, someone that even Bowser Jr. will like.
And Nintendo's going to need to find a new villain, just like they did with Bowser after Donkey Kong. It's a good thing they didn't overuse Donkey Kong, or Wario, as much as they did with Bowser. Like I said, I think it's time for Bowser to move on from his villain days. His stance has become too stale. Maybe the Mushroom Kingdom and the Koopa Kingdom can unite together to keep peace in the Mushroom World. How many of you are for ending Bowser's reign as a villain. Let me know here and maybe we could start a movement for it on the web.

"Eet's-a Mad-io not-a Ma-dio"

Vidgmchtr · « **Reply #1 on:** July 18, 2005, 06:34:04 PM »

Peach isn't Bowser Jr.'s mother. Bowser lied to his son.

PaperLuigi · « **Reply #2 on:** July 18, 2005, 06:47:09 PM »

Bowser a good guy!? No way! Just cause they have worked together doesn't mean they're pals. The two had to combine forces to take out a greater threat! Then they just go back to trying to kill each other. In SMRPG, Bowser fought Mario at the very end, even though they were friends for the whole game. This goes for Dr. Eggman in Sonic the Hedgehog as well. The bottom line: They only worked together to take out a greater force. And the story line isn't always the same. In Mario spin off titles, Bowser is sometimes a playable character. I think it's all good.

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Mr. Wiggles · « **Reply #3 on:** July 18, 2005, 10:07:26 PM »

Forget it. Bowser will never be a permanent good guy. Yes he isn't as menacing as he used to be but being a good guy would completly ruin his character. It's a constant conflict of good vs evil with Mario and Bowser at both ends.

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Fez: Guys, what happens in Cat & Mouse if the cat is retarded?

Toddathon · « **Reply #4 on:** July 19, 2005, 05:01:16 PM »

yes, now that I think about it Super Mario Sunshine was a pretty bad game.

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Glorb · « **Reply #5 on:** July 20, 2005, 11:58:34 AM »

I think bowser was born when Godzilla and one of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles had a baby. How could they have a baby? Godzilla can reproduce by himself (herself?).

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Markio · « **Reply #6 on:** July 20, 2005, 01:34:04 PM »

I like Bowser. I like him as an enemy. I wouldn't mind if they made some game like "Super Bowser Koopa", which followed up after Nintendo's big hit "Super Peach Princess", which followed up after Nintendo's big hit "Super Mario Bros".

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Sup-edMad-io · « **Reply #7 on:** July 23, 2005, 11:58:26 AM »

Mr. Wiggles, at what point did you forget that Wario and Donkey Kong became good guys and that didn't ruin their characters (they were once evil like Bowser (maybe D.K. was just insane in the original Donkey Kong, but Wario defintely evil in Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins), so why should it ruin Bowser's character? He's not really that evil anymore. He's just a moronic jerk who needs to learn that Mushroomian humans don't mix with Monstrous Koopas. The whole Mario vs. Bowser thing has defintely become stale, and so has the kindapping Peach thing. If Bowser shouldn't be a good guy, then he should defintely find another Monstrous Koopa to fall in love with. I'm tired of the same old junk over and over again, you should all be too. If you think it would ruin his character, then how bout just making Bowser a playable character in the Mario Party games. It's like him being a playable character in Mario Kart, Golf and Tennis. It's like Austin Powers. They recycled a lot of jokes from the first movie and even did more in the third movie. Every series has to change every now and then. Bowser's now just and idiot, like Jessie and James of Team Rocket in the Pokemon TV show. I'm sure their stance has become stale too. The Super Mario series needs a new recurring villain and a new conflict. Maybe Bowser doesn't have to be a permanent good guy, but like I said, every series need to change every now and then.
One more thing. Bowser should be called "Loser" not "Bowser." He is a loser and no a single bit of a threat that he used to be. I know none of you would agree with me, but I'm still trying to make a point.

"Eet's-a Mad-io not-a Ma-dio"

Markio · « **Reply #8 on:** July 23, 2005, 01:55:21 PM »

Once I realized that Bowser was really the bad guy in Super Mario Sunshine, the gameplay started sucking.</sarcasm>

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Mr. Wiggles · « **Reply #9 on:** July 23, 2005, 02:35:57 PM »

Here let me put it on the map for you:

Mario = Protaganist
Bowser = Antaginast

Ever since SMB was developed this is how it has been since. Removing Bowser as life long villain would be just as bad as removing the main villain from any other series. Do you really think people actually care whether Bowser is stale or not? Most of the people who play Mario games do it for fun, not for a complex story or deep characters. Take into account that Mario and Luigi have been the main heroes for years, yet we don't even really know a lot about them. Has it been a huge blow to sales? No.

And your whole idea about replacing Bowser with a new villain is pointless. Every now and then we have a new main villain for the game that forces Bowser to sit this one out. If you need any more proof let me list them for you:

Wart: Well this one was actually just a dream Mario had but no mention or appearence by Bowser whatsoever.

Smitty: Dude takes over Bowser's castle and wreaks havoc all over the land. This is one of the times Mario and Bowser are forced to team up.

Tetanga: Pseudo-Bowser invading Sarasaland. Another no show from Bowser.

Cackletta: Steals Peach's voice to take over neighboring kingdom. The only other time Mario and Bowser have to team up. Bowser does reoccer through the game but has amnesia so he doesn't remember squat till halfway through the game and even then he has his body taken over.

Grodus: No need for an explanation.

So basically no new villain is needed and Bowser isn't going to join to good side just because he isn't a serious villain. He's still a considerable threat to the Mushroom Kingdom since he has his legion of followers and all that weaponry.

Kelso: Guys this is a game of Cat & Mouse between me & Hyde. I''m gonna make him admit he''s been going out with Jackie behind my back.
Fez: Guys, what happens in Cat & Mouse if the cat is retarded?

white_arrow · « **Reply #10 on:** July 23, 2005, 03:22:00 PM »

Why don't people follow the DKC plot.The DK we know today is the Grandson of the origional

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Red Paratroopa · « **Reply #11 on:** July 24, 2005, 05:23:14 PM »

Because that plot is stupid. Why did they have to turn the original DK, a great antagonist, into a cranky old coot? It could've easily worked without all of that "monkeying" around with the storyline.

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mario_luigifan104 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 07, 2005, 01:23:27 PM »

no I think that Mario should go out and buy gun and go kill Bowser.This would the end same old Mario vs. Bowser storyline forever(unless somehow bowser came back to life).

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UM+SF · « **Reply #13 on:** August 09, 2005, 05:36:54 PM »

So what if it's always Bowser all the...wait, most of the time? His folied attempts never get old (especially, since I think his IQ drops every game). It's one of those mutual(?) hero/villain relationship that is meant to last for all eternity.

PaperMario · « **Reply #14 on:** August 10, 2005, 12:14:47 AM »

Bowser is a way bigger enemy than Wario and DK ( despite the fact Cranky Kong was in the first Mario game as his first enemy ).With all the games with Bowser causing mayhem it's really way too later for him just walk to Mario and say,"I'm sorry.Let's forget our long history of our hatred to each other and start fresh." People are used to Bowser as the enemy and would be outraged if any of that changed.(I grew up fighting him as the final boss on my SNES.)If you dont like the fact Bowser is always being the villian than maybe playing Mario games less could solve that.Dont take this wrong,I sometimes get bored of the idea too,but I'm used to it.I mean,if they had a new permament enemy to take Bowser's place it'll be like starting from the beginning (by that I mean Super Mario Bros,not Donkey Kong )and the years of history of Mario and Bowser's rivalry will be broken with a probable Bowser wannabe.Although,if you're really interested on old ideas changing in the Mario Universe try playing Super Princess Peach when it is out on stores.It has been known the game will change her 'damsel in destress' reputation and hopefully grant her a reasonable amount of respect from everyone.If you would rather not play Super Princess Peach,then you wont be seeing anything new in a long time,most likely.

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Edited by - PaperMario on 8/9/2005 11:43:25 PM